frankiefives
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Yep, they sure choked in game 1... Wow! No way the Pens beat them if Detroit plays this kinda hockey...
Official Stanley Cup Finals Thread: Pens vs. Wings
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Yep, they sure choked in game 1... Wow! No way the Pens beat them if Detroit plays this kinda hockey...
TheGriceBoys
King of Kings, Verified Trader,
I'm just amazed at Detroit's depth, they just have a new hero every night, even if the big guns don't dominate. This is ironic to me because coming in so many folks said the Wings had no second line scoring and how deep the Pens were this year.........
wingnut888
Verified Trader,
I find this comment pretty humorous considering the Pen's have been up 3-0 in every series. Don't you think the psyche of a young team might be a little cracked if they get dominated again???
kovyheater
Banned User
1. Is the league colluding to guarantee their poster child wins the Cup? What was up with that disallowed 1st goal?
2. What would happen to the prices of his cards if Crosby never won the Cup his entire career?
DET was stiffling in the first game. The controlled the entire pace of the game. The Pens looked lost against the DET defense.
WINGS in 5. They will give the Pens one win in PIT to win the Cup at home in Game 5. Too much experience...
2. What would happen to the prices of his cards if Crosby never won the Cup his entire career?
DET was stiffling in the first game. The controlled the entire pace of the game. The Pens looked lost against the DET defense.
WINGS in 5. They will give the Pens one win in PIT to win the Cup at home in Game 5. Too much experience...
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TheGriceBoys
King of Kings, Verified Trader,
About 4 and a half hours to game time. Should be a good tilt!
Musings from a biased fan on the first game......
1) When in the Lord's name did Devorski and O'Halloran become the 'best ' refs the league has to offer??? I realize that some of the 'calls/non-calls' are directed from the league office - but these two are no-where near the top guys in the league. And if the league wanted to show off the 'NEW' speed of the NHL - why are they allowing off-man interference so much. I see players impeding progress to both ends of the ice. It almost seems as if they are afraid that Detroit won't ever give up the puck if they called it.
2) Remember I'm biased....... If I hear one more time from Engbloom, Melrose and company that Pittsburgh needs to play together and hit more and do this and do that I'm going to throw up. To me it really looks like Detroit did not allow them to do those things in Game One. With all of the video tape that I am sure that the Pens watched since they beat Philly --- you can't really expect me to believe that they had no idea how Detroit would play them???? Detroit did something in Game One that they did not do to Dallas???? To Colorado??? To Nashville???? look the Pens are a very talented team -
TRY NOT GIVING THE PUCK TO THE BEST PUCK POSSESSION TEAM IN THE NHL!!! Try working the puck instead of dumping and chasing - and by all means follow Melrose's advice and try to knock the snot out of Lidstrom and Rafalski and company - make them pay for having the puck. They will make the play, sidestep your check and have odd-man rushes up the ice at will.
3) I visited the other Board for a moment - just to check out what some of the idiots there had to say about the game. Let me correct some mis-guided thinking from the Sidiots. If you look at my previous post - you know I am in favor of the kid from all aspects - he is the future of the league in my opinion. HOWEVER - Sid and malkin did not really have a bad game - they were hounded and hit and had dogs nipping at their heels the entire game. Hmmm - take two of the best DEFENSIVE FORWARDS in the league - yeah two/thirds of the nominees for the Selke Award - who happen to play on the same line to boot - and assign them the task of stopping the Premier line of the other team.
What did you think was going to happen?????
Datsyuk and Zetterberg are unlike anything that the two young stars have had to face so far in the playoffs. They are almost on par in talent - they play better defense and - when they are not hounding you - they have such a knack for holding the puck that you spend the entire shift (all 45 seconds) chasing them. That means of your 20 minutes of ice time in the game - you lost about 10 minutes chasing them.
4) Why are we so surprised that scoring came from somewhere else on the Wings???
It has all season - and then you give 20 minutes of Franzen's ice time to other players - and they have more of a chance to make it happen as well. Do you really think that only one line of Detroit can hurt you???? Every line can skate on this team - and every line is capable of scoring 2-3 goals on any given night. That is the way it has been for all three of Detroit's Cups in the last 11 years.
5) I am expecting another Detroit victory tonight - but the tables will turn in Pittsburgh - for at least a game. I think the most helpful thing will be the fact that the Pens have the last change at home. There will be 6-8 opportunities for them to get a better match-up on the ice in their favor. Not to mention the home crowd for the first Stanley Cup Finals game in Pittsburgh in 16 or 17 years???
6) Has anyone heard one word from Hasek... at all????? I mean the guy has either disappeared or not one reporter has even bothered to get an interview with him.
Wow - I would at least have thought that someone from Pittsburgh would see if they could stir the pot with an interview.
Cheers to all - I hope all of my fellow American friends take just a minute today to try to understand what this holiday is about. I spent Sat/Sun in Washington DC on business. I had a chance to spend some time with members of a group called TAPS (Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors) at the hotel I was staying at. They are a support group for all branches of the military - to help families/spouses/parents/etc that have lost a loved on in service to their country. Brings the meaning of the holiday a lot closer!!!
http://www.taps.org/peer/groups.aspx
I also got a chance to see a pretty inspiring site - the Rolling Thunder Motorcycle Rally was there as well. This is a rally held every year in DC to bring attention to Prisoners of War (POWs) and those Missing in Action (MIAs). Some 400,000 vets and over 45,000 bikes were everywhere in our Nation's Capital. Unfortunately I was leaving to early to attend the ceremony at the wall - but it really was something to see.
bruce
1) When in the Lord's name did Devorski and O'Halloran become the 'best ' refs the league has to offer??? I realize that some of the 'calls/non-calls' are directed from the league office - but these two are no-where near the top guys in the league. And if the league wanted to show off the 'NEW' speed of the NHL - why are they allowing off-man interference so much. I see players impeding progress to both ends of the ice. It almost seems as if they are afraid that Detroit won't ever give up the puck if they called it.
2) Remember I'm biased....... If I hear one more time from Engbloom, Melrose and company that Pittsburgh needs to play together and hit more and do this and do that I'm going to throw up. To me it really looks like Detroit did not allow them to do those things in Game One. With all of the video tape that I am sure that the Pens watched since they beat Philly --- you can't really expect me to believe that they had no idea how Detroit would play them???? Detroit did something in Game One that they did not do to Dallas???? To Colorado??? To Nashville???? look the Pens are a very talented team -
TRY NOT GIVING THE PUCK TO THE BEST PUCK POSSESSION TEAM IN THE NHL!!! Try working the puck instead of dumping and chasing - and by all means follow Melrose's advice and try to knock the snot out of Lidstrom and Rafalski and company - make them pay for having the puck. They will make the play, sidestep your check and have odd-man rushes up the ice at will.
3) I visited the other Board for a moment - just to check out what some of the idiots there had to say about the game. Let me correct some mis-guided thinking from the Sidiots. If you look at my previous post - you know I am in favor of the kid from all aspects - he is the future of the league in my opinion. HOWEVER - Sid and malkin did not really have a bad game - they were hounded and hit and had dogs nipping at their heels the entire game. Hmmm - take two of the best DEFENSIVE FORWARDS in the league - yeah two/thirds of the nominees for the Selke Award - who happen to play on the same line to boot - and assign them the task of stopping the Premier line of the other team.
What did you think was going to happen?????
Datsyuk and Zetterberg are unlike anything that the two young stars have had to face so far in the playoffs. They are almost on par in talent - they play better defense and - when they are not hounding you - they have such a knack for holding the puck that you spend the entire shift (all 45 seconds) chasing them. That means of your 20 minutes of ice time in the game - you lost about 10 minutes chasing them.
4) Why are we so surprised that scoring came from somewhere else on the Wings???
It has all season - and then you give 20 minutes of Franzen's ice time to other players - and they have more of a chance to make it happen as well. Do you really think that only one line of Detroit can hurt you???? Every line can skate on this team - and every line is capable of scoring 2-3 goals on any given night. That is the way it has been for all three of Detroit's Cups in the last 11 years.
5) I am expecting another Detroit victory tonight - but the tables will turn in Pittsburgh - for at least a game. I think the most helpful thing will be the fact that the Pens have the last change at home. There will be 6-8 opportunities for them to get a better match-up on the ice in their favor. Not to mention the home crowd for the first Stanley Cup Finals game in Pittsburgh in 16 or 17 years???
6) Has anyone heard one word from Hasek... at all????? I mean the guy has either disappeared or not one reporter has even bothered to get an interview with him.
Wow - I would at least have thought that someone from Pittsburgh would see if they could stir the pot with an interview.
Cheers to all - I hope all of my fellow American friends take just a minute today to try to understand what this holiday is about. I spent Sat/Sun in Washington DC on business. I had a chance to spend some time with members of a group called TAPS (Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors) at the hotel I was staying at. They are a support group for all branches of the military - to help families/spouses/parents/etc that have lost a loved on in service to their country. Brings the meaning of the holiday a lot closer!!!
http://www.taps.org/peer/groups.aspx
I also got a chance to see a pretty inspiring site - the Rolling Thunder Motorcycle Rally was there as well. This is a rally held every year in DC to bring attention to Prisoners of War (POWs) and those Missing in Action (MIAs). Some 400,000 vets and over 45,000 bikes were everywhere in our Nation's Capital. Unfortunately I was leaving to early to attend the ceremony at the wall - but it really was something to see.
bruce
TheGriceBoys
King of Kings, Verified Trader,
Gotta say, Hal Gill, Ryan Whitney and whoever ran Osgood lost my respect tonight. Pretty weak stuff.
Speak with your skills and on the scoreboard, don't be cheap. If you get beat, take it like a man and move on......
On a positive note, congrats to Chris Osgood, man that guy is really back to the Ozzie of old, if not better.
Wings are so dominant right now, a real machine.
Speak with your skills and on the scoreboard, don't be cheap. If you get beat, take it like a man and move on......
On a positive note, congrats to Chris Osgood, man that guy is really back to the Ozzie of old, if not better.
Wings are so dominant right now, a real machine.
aaronlo
Registered Trader
anyone else think Osgood embellished those goalie interference penalties?
he went down like a sac of bricks
he went down like a sac of bricks
Nice plays by Roberts/Malone & Whitney......... hit the guy that missed 2 weeks with concussion right in the head.
Hmmm - Pens are frustrated - join the rest of the NHL. They played better - but if they want to make a comeback they had better learn to keep their cool.
Last but not least - why is Keith Jones (The Former Pen) calling this game??
might as well have Mickey Redmond doing the color.... if I wanted a biased opinion every time.
bruce
Hmmm - Pens are frustrated - join the rest of the NHL. They played better - but if they want to make a comeback they had better learn to keep their cool.
Last but not least - why is Keith Jones (The Former Pen) calling this game??
might as well have Mickey Redmond doing the color.... if I wanted a biased opinion every time.
bruce
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Niner74
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Jones isn't the biased guy on color. That's former Pens coach (and player) Eddie Olczyk. He's the one praising the great play of the Pens when they're trailing 3-0 in the game.
Jonesy is in the intermission commentary
Not to mention that he is a former Blackhawk player & current Blackhawk announcer. So, he certainly doesn't have love for the Red Wings.
roaddogg1718
Verified Trader,
And when was Keith Jones a Pen?? He was with the Avs during the heyday of the Wings rivalry (so he probably doesn't like them that much), and then played for the Flyers, but I don't remember him playing for Pitt.
Cole
Muffinz
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JoeyStorm
Registered Trader
why didn't they go with Jim Hughson?!! Arggh
I mean no offense but I can't stand watching CBC hockey with Bob Cole, I've only watched half of the first game and only a period of the second.
I think I'm just more attached to Hughson cuz he does the Canucks XD
Jones isn't the biased guy on color. That's former Pens coach (and player) Eddie Olczyk. He's the one praising the great play of the Pens when they're trailing 3-0 in the game.
Jonesy is in the intermission commentary
Oooppps - sorry guys.
Maybe too much celebrating for me????
Olczyk then - it's a little ridiculous as Chris mentions.
bruce
cjkuehn
Verified Trader
I must agree that osgood is looking good, truly back in his
prime, in fact he's looking so good, he should win an oscar
or emmy for the 2nd game performance.
prime, in fact he's looking so good, he should win an oscar
or emmy for the 2nd game performance.
MMarch
One Man Wolfpack, ,
I'm a bit disgusted with the way the Pens went after Franzen's head. Totally gutless there Roberts and Whitney. Roberts I expected it from, he has done garbage things in the past. Never expected it from Whitney though. Honestly I don't mind the Sykora tap to Osgood, that's good old fashioned gamesmanship with the goalie. He didn't run him from behind, he barely bumped him and Osgood went "Ribiero" again with a flop only Darcy Tucker would be proud of. Nothing wrong there folks. However, going after Franzen's head blatantly like that is pure cowardess in my opinion. That showed a true lack of respect or concern for an athlete, or person in general. I hate when the NHL steps in and tries to handle things that the players should handle themselves, but in this case I think the NHL should step in, along with the NHLPA. Hits to the head are serious enough as it is, but going after a guy who just got back from a concussion is brutal. I wonder what guys like Brett and Eric Lindros are saying after watching the Pens actions against Franzen last night. Hell, I bet Mario isn't real happy with those two idiots. It's a game, there is emotion, but don't go out there trying to end a guys career. If I'm a teammate, coach, ownership group, or fan, I am ashamed of what they did. Just sickening and wrong.
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cjkuehn
Verified Trader
Here's a question for the group.......
Would the hits that Roberts or Whitney put on Franzen been noticed
if they were put on any other player on the Wings?
If Franzen had not had a concussion, would those hits even have been
noticed?
Plain and simple, if the guy is not 100% healthy, he should not be
on the ice. Are the Pens or any other team supposed to check the
number of a guy before a hit or trying to something to get their
team rolling?
When a guy comes back from a high-ankle sprain, doesn't the other
team make it a point to work that guy as hard as possible, is that
any different than what Franzen took?
Shouldn't a team try to exploit a weakness on the other team?
I also don't think what Whitney did was much more than a face wash.
Franzen truly bit the dust hard from what didn't amount to much of
a hit.
On the flip side, I also think Roberts took a dive to draw that penalty.
c.j.
Would the hits that Roberts or Whitney put on Franzen been noticed
if they were put on any other player on the Wings?
If Franzen had not had a concussion, would those hits even have been
noticed?
Plain and simple, if the guy is not 100% healthy, he should not be
on the ice. Are the Pens or any other team supposed to check the
number of a guy before a hit or trying to something to get their
team rolling?
When a guy comes back from a high-ankle sprain, doesn't the other
team make it a point to work that guy as hard as possible, is that
any different than what Franzen took?
Shouldn't a team try to exploit a weakness on the other team?
I also don't think what Whitney did was much more than a face wash.
Franzen truly bit the dust hard from what didn't amount to much of
a hit.
On the flip side, I also think Roberts took a dive to draw that penalty.
c.j.
spiral8
Verified Trader
+1
To further comment though, I really think that the Pens are totally being outclassed right now on the ice, and it shows. I'm sorry, but if you can't even get 1 single regular strength shot in the 1st period, you really don't deserve to be in the finals. This just goes to show how soft the East is right now compaired to the West. I think over time, things will change, but as it stands now it's like watching boys play against men.
I'm hoping things pick up for the Pens, because this has to be one of the worst finals series I've ever watched in my life. :dead:
CGS28
Verified Trader
You don't think that a punch to the head would be noticed agaist any other player?
its one of the things that is gone from the game, Respect for fellow players. Going after an injured Leg or something like that is one thing but when they start going after a players head because he has had a concussion thats just no respect... that can end their career...
cjkuehn
Verified Trader
and going after a leg can't end a guys career? absolutely it can.
if he's not recovered from the conc., then he should not be on the ice.
do you agree with that or not?
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