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I just saw that McGwire finally came out and admitted to steroid use. Not that I care at this point, we all knew he had done it. But I was just wondering what the situation is in the NHL. Is there mandatory testing? Have any players ever been caught?

Im sure we have covered this at some point in the past, but I dont remember at all.
 
The NHL does up to 2 random tests during the season. Nothing during the off-season.

Suspensions are 20 / 60 / permanent.

I'm sure there are NHLers using performance enhancers. Testing is always a few steps behind the cheaters.

The only player who has been caught is Sean Hill. Jose Theodore tested positive for a masking agent, but it was an ingredient in a hair growth product he was taking.
 
How about Mcgwire? He said he was not in a position to tell the truth when he testified to Congress, but now he was able to come clean. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you lie under oath, isn't it perjury?
 
BlueShirts said:
How about Mcgwire? He said he was not in a position to tell the truth when he testified to Congress, but now he was able to come clean. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you lie under oath, isn't it perjury?
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I didn't think he lied so much as refused to answer the question.
 
With as much money is on the line - between playing professionally and in the minors - there has to be a measurable percentage of players that have or are using. I don't think its a prevolent in the NHL as it has been in the NFL or MLB but I also think it has been more of a non-issue in hockey for some reason.

I still think all those guys in baseball (McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, etc) should be in the Hall of Fame - if there is no way to difinitively say that anyone was clean, how can one assume that Ripkin, Ryan, Griffey, etc weren't on the juice either.
 
Performance enhancers are a touchy subject with me....I actually did a report back in college pushing for the legalization of performance enhancers in sports....Like an above post said players are always a few steps ahead of testing....I always go back to this scenario I heard a few years ago that made me take this stand.....Lets say there's a pitcher in baseball who has all the talent in the world...I'm talking an A+ curve, slider, change, and a 100 MPH fastball but he can't get them over the plate because he's nervous....Game after game he can't hit his spots and ends up walking batters, getting into trouble, and blowing games in early innings so he goes to the doctor, gets himself a bottle of zanax to relax and pitches a perfect game his next time around in the rotation....Is that not using performance enhancers?....The guy didn't have the nerves to cut it in the big leagues so he took drugs to help him cope....He flies under the radar because zanax isn't a banned substance when it comes to sports but the guy whose taking HGH to heal faster from a shoulder injury is chased down by an angry mob with pitch forks....It's not fair to me so I say level the playing field completely.....Sorry for the rant, especially since it wasn't hockey talk....

Now getting onto performance enhancers in hockey.....I'd say many goalies in the league are on some type on amphetamines for focus and reaction time (possibly even something as simple as aderol)....Look at Lundqvist in a post game interview....His pupils are the size of quarters!!!....I'd bet most players are on some type of energy booster as well.....Anyway I say level the playing field....I can careless whose taking what as long as everybody has the option to take it....
 
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wiseguy917 said:
Performance enhancers are a touchy subject with me....I actually did a report back in college pushing for the legalization of performance enhancers in sports....Like an above post said players are always a few steps ahead of testing....I always go back to this scenario I heard a few years ago that made me take this stand.....Lets say there's a pitcher in baseball who has all the talent in the world...I'm talking an A+ curve, slider, change, and a 100 MPH fastball but he can't get them over the plate because he's nervous....Game after game he can't hit his spots and ends up walking batters, getting into trouble, and blowing games in early innings so he goes to the doctor, gets himself a bottle of zanax to relax and pitches a perfect game his next time around in the rotation....Is that not using performance enhancers?....The guy didn't have the nerves to cut it in the big leagues so he took drugs to help him cope....He flies under the radar because zanax isn't a banned substance when it comes to sports but the guy whose taking HGH to heal faster from a shoulder injury is chased down by an angry mob with pitch forks....It's not fair to me so I say level the playing field completely.....Sorry for the rant, especially since it wasn't hockey talk....

Now getting onto performance enhancers in hockey.....I'd say many goalies in the league are on some type on amphetamines for focus and reaction time (possibly even something as simple as aderol)....Look at Lundqvist in a post game interview....His pupils are the size of quarters!!!....I'd bet most players are on some type of energy booster as well.....Anyway I say level the playing field....I can careless whose taking what as long as everybody has the option to take it....
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I hear you on all counts.

Something as simple as drinking a redbull before a game (which i used to do a lot) is akin to using a performance enhancer. Im not sure how they figure which drugs are "legal" and which are acceptable, but I would hate to be on that board, let alone something like the FDA....
 
red bull, red bull, red bull, red bull, red bull, red bull, red bull, red bull, red bull,red bull, sorry i just got off the ice. lol.
 
sprague11 said:
I *think* David Morriset admitted to using awhile back. acourse he only lasted a handful of games in the nhl.
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Yeah but the Moose didnt break records, he published a book on it and his working on prevention alot with the youngsters now.

There pro, there paid millions, i can understand they use performance enhancer, what i dont understand is men in there 30`s+ drinking a few red bulls and sudafed to play in there beer league.
 
wiseguy917 said:
Performance enhancers are a touchy subject with me....I actually did a report back in college pushing for the legalization of performance enhancers in sports....Like an above post said players are always a few steps ahead of testing....I always go back to this scenario I heard a few years ago that made me take this stand.....Lets say there's a pitcher in baseball who has all the talent in the world...I'm talking an A+ curve, slider, change, and a 100 MPH fastball but he can't get them over the plate because he's nervous....Game after game he can't hit his spots and ends up walking batters, getting into trouble, and blowing games in early innings so he goes to the doctor, gets himself a bottle of zanax to relax and pitches a perfect game his next time around in the rotation....Is that not using performance enhancers?....The guy didn't have the nerves to cut it in the big leagues so he took drugs to help him cope....He flies under the radar because zanax isn't a banned substance when it comes to sports but the guy whose taking HGH to heal faster from a shoulder injury is chased down by an angry mob with pitch forks....It's not fair to me so I say level the playing field completely.....Sorry for the rant, especially since it wasn't hockey talk....

Now getting onto performance enhancers in hockey.....I'd say many goalies in the league are on some type on amphetamines for focus and reaction time (possibly even something as simple as aderol)....Look at Lundqvist in a post game interview....His pupils are the size of quarters!!!....I'd bet most players are on some type of energy booster as well.....Anyway I say level the playing field....I can careless whose taking what as long as everybody has the option to take it....
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I agree 100 percent. I am sure tons of players use some type of roid test or anabolic actually I know for sure some do but I'll leave it at that. I bet a million bucks drinking those energy drinks do more damage than roids do in the long run. The only reason people cut roids down is because they don't know anything about them. There is a huge difference between use and abuse.
 
wiseguy917 said:
Performance enhancers are a touchy subject with me....I actually did a report back in college pushing for the legalization of performance enhancers in sports....Like an above post said players are always a few steps ahead of testing....I always go back to this scenario I heard a few years ago that made me take this stand.....Lets say there's a pitcher in baseball who has all the talent in the world...I'm talking an A+ curve, slider, change, and a 100 MPH fastball but he can't get them over the plate because he's nervous....Game after game he can't hit his spots and ends up walking batters, getting into trouble, and blowing games in early innings so he goes to the doctor, gets himself a bottle of zanax to relax and pitches a perfect game his next time around in the rotation....Is that not using performance enhancers?....The guy didn't have the nerves to cut it in the big leagues so he took drugs to help him cope....He flies under the radar because zanax isn't a banned substance when it comes to sports but the guy whose taking HGH to heal faster from a shoulder injury is chased down by an angry mob with pitch forks....It's not fair to me so I say level the playing field completely.....Sorry for the rant, especially since it wasn't hockey talk....

Now getting onto performance enhancers in hockey.....I'd say many goalies in the league are on some type on amphetamines for focus and reaction time (possibly even something as simple as aderol)....Look at Lundqvist in a post game interview....His pupils are the size of quarters!!!....I'd bet most players are on some type of energy booster as well.....Anyway I say level the playing field....I can careless whose taking what as long as everybody has the option to take it....
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The difference is, taking Zanax would bring that pitcher back to the realm of normality in terms of nerves. The guy that doesn't take it isn't at a disadvantage if his "natural" nerves are good.

Start on the juice, and suddenly the natural athlete can't compete. Saying that taking steroids is ok is essentially telling everyone that you either sacrifice your body to the consequences of the drug use, or you don't get to play. That's a very important distinction.
 
Bryan Berard and Jose Theodore were "caught" in pre-olympic drug testing as that is much stricter than any of the pro-sports testing...neither were suspended as they did not fail a NHL drug test....
 
geerhed19 said:
The difference is, taking Zanax would bring that pitcher back to the realm of normality in terms of nerves. The guy that doesn't take it isn't at a disadvantage if his "natural" nerves are good.

Start on the juice, and suddenly the natural athlete can't compete. Saying that taking steroids is ok is essentially telling everyone that you either sacrifice your body to the consequences of the drug use, or you don't get to play. That's a very important distinction.
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Well here's a common misconception about some of the drugs used....Most steroids or PED's, if done properly, are as safe as baby food....It's the people who abuse them that suffer from the heart and liver damage we all hear about....If the drugs were legalized in sports like I am pushing for they would be administered by the teams health professionals, doctors, and trainers....Most, if not all of the evil side effects of the drugs would never show up because the drugs are taken the way they are supposed to be taken....Now a lot of people say prolonged steroid use actually breaks down muscle...This is true to some point....The human body, taking steroids or not, is not meant to bench press 500 pounds....Just because you can bench press 500 pounds doesn't mean you should...The people that take these drugs all of a sudden have emense strength and recovery time so they push their body to the limit which entail causes injury.....Basically just because you can lift a small car doesn't mean you should....Muscle tear and strain is very common when taking PED's because of the urge to push the body like never before....Now how would an uneducated person try to heal these injuries faster??...Hey...More steroids!!....Legalize it and put it in the hands of professionals and you'd see that a few cycle's are perfectly fine for every able body....
 
If you're drinking Red Bull and pounding Sudafed in your beer league, YOU ARE A LOSER.

The main problem with PED's is the issue of long term effects.

And I completely reject your Xanax vs PEDs argument... that's hogwash.
Your argument that taking an anxiety medication is really no different than a steroid/PED to help you put on 15 lbs of muscle in a weekend is the most offensive analogy I've read since the last post I read. They're not even in the same league.
 

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