Ovechkin vs McDavid PSA 9?

Ovechkin vs McDavid- PSA 9 YG

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If you could choose one and only one of these gents in a PSA 9 young gun, from a long term money perspective, which would you choose and why?

curious to see the replies.

Im leaning towards Ovechkin, if he breaks the all time scoring record, im not sure that potential olympic gold medal(s) and or cups for Mcdavid will be enough.

What do you think?

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I think for me, for right now, Ovechkin. Whether he breaks the goals record or not, he's going to get close. That will cause the discussion to heat up, interest in his cards to spike, etc. He will also be nearing retirement which will probably move the needle as well.
 
For me, and when the dialogue compares superstars I lean toward the proven commodity. Ovechkin’s numbers are locked in, not going away.

McDavid seems to have a higher ceiling but has a long way to go. IMO his style of play will continue to make him prone to injury. I hope I’m wrong but I fear he’ll end up on a similar path to Eric Lindros. Huge upsides, dominant player but never win the big show, and at risk of being worn down by his opponents over time.

So I would compare Ovechkin vs McDavid similar to Crosby vs Lindros. If long term money was the driver, then I could easily make the decision.

Or just buy both ;)
 
Ovechkin for me. Besides the goal record being challenged he’s already proven to be arguably the best goal scorer of all time (9 Rocket trophies and 700+ goals in a lower scoring era) and has the individual accomplishments as well as a Cup ring. He’s also got more personality in his little finger than McDavid does in his whole body.

And on top of that there are easily 4-5X more McDavid Young Guns printed than there were Ovechkin’s. He’ll always have the edge when it comes to scarcity of the YG card.

All that said there will be obvious Canadian market bias that could skew things towards McDavid but nationality seems to be less of a factor than it used to be. Ovechkin is finally getting the respect he’s been due for years and the new waves of collectors/investors coming in care less about where you’re from and more about what you’ve done.
 
FrozenInferno said:
And on top of that there are easily 4-5X more McDavid Young Guns printed than there were Ovechkin’s. He’ll always have the edge when it comes to scarcity of the YG card.
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^^^^ This ^^^^

Assuming that you have the opportunity to buy one or the other, PSA 9, and they're the same price, I would lean towards Ovechkin.

Assuming McDavid can remain reasonably healthy, I do think the sky is the limit for him. I think there's a great opportunity for multiple Stanley Cups. Is he going to break the 800 goal or 1700 point marks? That's still hard for me to picture, for anyone.

You know how great Ovechkin's career is (though we don't know how great it will end up). I do believe we're talking about two of the greatest three players of the last 20 years.

The thing with grading though, it's always been about adding value to the card, because the grade separates it from other copies, making it superior.

If I read the population reports correctly:

There are 2124 PSA 10 McDavid's, and 959 PSA 9s. For Ovechkin there are 929 PSA 10s, and 549 PSA 9s.

Plus, like was said in the post I quoted, there's likely 4-5x as many McDavids printed as there were Ovechkin.

This also doesn't factor in Beckett grading, of which I assume McDavid's numbers are through the roof - because you could pull the card on ePack, and submit it to Beckett directly through COMC.

Ovechkin also came out in an time when people didn't automatically grade everything considered to be a big hit.


In short: I think the Ovechkin will be the rarer collectible as time goes on, therefor the better buy.

If McDavid wins 4 Cups, ends up as a top 10 all time scorer, has a couple of 200 point seasons... things like that.... maybe the demand will become so high that the larger supply won't matter, but I think it's always going to be harder to get that Ovechkin, rather than McDavid.
 
I went with McDavid. Hard to argue the hype that surrounds him. He is Canadian and on a Canadian team. Look at the jump that Ovechkin's took as soon as he won a cup. If (Big IF) McDavid can win a cup I think his will skyrocket past Ovie.
 
What are the odds McDavid plays his entire career in Edmonton? Let’s say he doesn’t win a Cup in EDM, demands a trade or leaves in free agency, and ends up on pretty much any non-Canadian team. Would his Young Gun or any other rookie card be worth even half of what they are right now?
 
MMarch said:
What are the odds McDavid plays his entire career in Edmonton? Let’s say he doesn’t win a Cup in EDM, demands a trade or leaves in free agency, and ends up on pretty much any non-Canadian team. Would his Young Gun or any other rookie card be worth even half of what they are right now?
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That may be the case.... the team continues to falter.... and he leaves Edmonton when this contract is up (or before, if he asks to be moved).

For a LONG time, it seemed that generally when players left their original team, RCs almost never maintained value. This was certainly true for Canadian Teams, Original 6, and the other "big" teams in the USA.... granted, lower valued players might also get a spike in value if they went to one of the more popular teams.

Assume the Oilers have annual playoff teams, start winning rounds again (McDavid-era Oilers have gotten out of the first round once) - I think the threat of him leaving because "the team hasn't won" is overblown.

Look at the best players from the last 15 years (I'm removing McDavid from the conversation). The top three IMO are Crosby, Ovechkin, and Kane (put them in whatever order you want). All three have remained with the clubs that drafted them - and I suspect all three will retire with those clubs.

If I continue to go down the list of the top 20 scorers from the last decade... after those three, the list has McDavid, and 10 more guys that haven't changed teams (and I don't think will be, anytime soon):

Marchand, Giroux, Backstrom, Malkin, Kopitar, Benn, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Stamkos, Bergeron

Here's the remaining 6, who have changed clubs:

Tavares, Wheeler, Kessel, Voracek, Seguin, Pavelski

Kessel (3), Voracek (2), Seguin (1) have only been traded, they've never left via FA (I would imagine that will change soon with both Kessel & Voracek).

Tavares left as a UFA, same with Pavelski. Wheeler is a mixed bag: He never signed with the team that drafted him (ARI), and signed as a free agent with Boston. The Bruins traded him to ATL, who moved to Winnipeg, and he's been there ever since. He's into his 10th season as a Jet now - and wasn't an elite player before he got there.


I was only looking at points, so defenseman were left out of the equation.... but just to add a few more names to the mix, I'd argue that the best dmen of the last 10 years are some combination of:

Hedman, Carlson, Doughty, Keith, Burns, Karlsson, Josi, Letang, Peiterangelo, and Weber.

Peiterangelo is the only one of those guys to leave via free agency.... three others (Keith, Burns, Karlsson) have were traded (Keith, well past his prime, and Burns - really before he was considered elite).


All I'm doing here is showing that most of the truly elite players in the NHL have not actually left their teams via free agency, or demanded a trade.

I grant you, many of the names I listed have won Stanley Cups - so perhaps the pressure to leave, and chase a ring isn't as great.... but I think it has a lot to do with guys establishing themselves as a player with a particular team, and really having personal ownership on that team's results. You play for a club, you play in a city - and so long as you're treated well: For the most part, Superstars aren't looking to leave.
 
I selected McDavid...

In my opinion, looking at it from 'growth' potential, I think Ovechkin needs to break the goals record to justify his current price. His recent value increase isn't being driven by hockey collectors, it's been driven by the sports card investors. The hockey community 'knew' he was undervalued, but I think the post-COVID growth has eclipsed even where most hockey collectors would have put him at.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of what's been said about him. At the end of the day, Ovechkin is an easy HHOFer and everything else. If you're buying Ovechkin today, though, it's baked into the price...

With McDavid, you're still buying potential. Everything everyone is pointing out is 'risk' or potential volatility - will he get traded, will he win a Cup, will he level up his scoring -- they are unknowns, not negatives. I doubt McDavid winning a Cup doubles his market value or, if he scores 200 pts, and doubles up again, but he hasn't done those things and it's $1k for a PSA 9 YG... And he's only been in the league for 6 seasons (4 100-pt seasons)... We haven't seen scoring like that in over 20 years.

Buy the hype, sell the news... Ovechkin is news...
 
Though I pick Ovechkin now because of relative scarcity as well as “what he’s done” vs “what Connor might do” I admit when both careers are done it could end up being pretty close. Tough choice but probably one without a wrong answer.

I’m thankful I already have a PSA 9 Ovie and a PSA 10 McDavid so I don’t have to make the decision :D
 
1) Ovie YG is more rare then McDavid in raw form.
2) Ovie YG is significantly more rare then McDavid in high grades.
3) Ovie is going to captivate the entire USA market with his chase of 99's goal record.
4) Ovie has a cup and is going to finish his career as arguably the best goal scorer of all time.
 
rohara99 said:
1) Ovie YG is more rare then McDavid in raw form.
2) Ovie YG is significantly more rare then McDavid in high grades.
3) Ovie is going to captivate the entire USA market with his chase of 99's goal record.
4) Ovie has a cup and is going to finish his career as arguably the best goal scorer of all time.
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Agreed, but he's not Canadian.
 
Kharlamov17 said:
Agreed, but he's not Canadian.
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Yea but in this case I dont think that much matters. I mean both these guys (Ovie and McDavid) are getting tons of attention from other collectors in the States... probably why these 2 guys prices are through the roof the last little while, even though most everything else dipped.
 
McDavid for me. There's more risk, but more potential reward. Obviously, their long term value will really come down to their popularity. Unless Bedard challenges him, McDavid will be considered the most dominant player in the game for quite a stretch of time and no one has questioned his compete level. McDavid is also Canadian and basically a human highlight reel. Don't get me wrong, Ovechkin is all the great things people mentioned and more and even though the supply of his YG is less, I think McDavid's popularity will win out at the end of the day.
 
30ranfordfan said:
That may be the case.... the team continues to falter.... and he leaves Edmonton when this contract is up (or before, if he asks to be moved).

For a LONG time, it seemed that generally when players left their original team, RCs almost never maintained value. This was certainly true for Canadian Teams, Original 6, and the other "big" teams in the USA.... granted, lower valued players might also get a spike in value if they went to one of the more popular teams.

Assume the Oilers have annual playoff teams, start winning rounds again (McDavid-era Oilers have gotten out of the first round once) - I think the threat of him leaving because "the team hasn't won" is overblown.

Look at the best players from the last 15 years (I'm removing McDavid from the conversation). The top three IMO are Crosby, Ovechkin, and Kane (put them in whatever order you want). All three have remained with the clubs that drafted them - and I suspect all three will retire with those clubs.

If I continue to go down the list of the top 20 scorers from the last decade... after those three, the list has McDavid, and 10 more guys that haven't changed teams (and I don't think will be, anytime soon):

Marchand, Giroux, Backstrom, Malkin, Kopitar, Benn, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Stamkos, Bergeron

Here's the remaining 6, who have changed clubs:

Tavares, Wheeler, Kessel, Voracek, Seguin, Pavelski

Kessel (3), Voracek (2), Seguin (1) have only been traded, they've never left via FA (I would imagine that will change soon with both Kessel & Voracek).

Tavares left as a UFA, same with Pavelski. Wheeler is a mixed bag: He never signed with the team that drafted him (ARI), and signed as a free agent with Boston. The Bruins traded him to ATL, who moved to Winnipeg, and he's been there ever since. He's into his 10th season as a Jet now - and wasn't an elite player before he got there.


I was only looking at points, so defenseman were left out of the equation.... but just to add a few more names to the mix, I'd argue that the best dmen of the last 10 years are some combination of:

Hedman, Carlson, Doughty, Keith, Burns, Karlsson, Josi, Letang, Peiterangelo, and Weber.

Peiterangelo is the only one of those guys to leave via free agency.... three others (Keith, Burns, Karlsson) have were traded (Keith, well past his prime, and Burns - really before he was considered elite).


All I'm doing here is showing that most of the truly elite players in the NHL have not actually left their teams via free agency, or demanded a trade.

I grant you, many of the names I listed have won Stanley Cups - so perhaps the pressure to leave, and chase a ring isn't as great.... but I think it has a lot to do with guys establishing themselves as a player with a particular team, and really having personal ownership on that team's results. You play for a club, you play in a city - and so long as you're treated well: For the most part, Superstars aren't looking to leave.
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Unbelievable how much Knowledge is in this Post!! Wow, Thank you for bringing all These facts.

Greetings Helge :beer:
 

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