Panini Prime Auto Hate?

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I have just won my 7th Martin Brodeur Panini Prime Signatures card.... hardsigned and #/99... for $30.

WTF?



And when Beckett pricing came up, it looks like they are trading for $50!



What happened to the $100 Brodeur Auto?

All of the autos in this set are low!!!


Who wouldn't snap up a hard-signed Lemieux for $80 or under?!



Is something happening here, aside from Upper Deck Love, that I don't know about? I know Beckett is out to lunch, but eBay too?
 
Panini always seems to sell for much less than similar cards from other companies. I'm not sure how they are viewed in other sports but that seems to be the way in Hockey
 
You have to ask "How many other hard signed Brodeur autos are out there?" A zillion. I think pricing on cards are more driven by set collectors more than player collectors or just guys that want a Brodeur auto now. I mean, if I want a hard signed Brodeur auto I can take my pick of many different sets.
 
although Panini doesn't have as good a resale as UD (which I think coudl change a bit more with the upcoming Dominion), I think the NHL's extended off-season/lockout is already taking effect.

lesser-name redemption Cup ARPs are already going for under $20 dlvd on ebay and it's only been a couple weeks since the release.
 
I got a Perreault for $3.25. There are so many autographs of HOF players out there that don't have any value unless they are part of a heavily collected set or very limited. Great for us who collect for the fun of having cheap autographs of our favorite players growing up, bad for case busters.

My best,

Ken
 
Yeah it's a result of autograph-heavy products filling the market with thousands of signatures over the past 15 years or so, and a guy like Brodeur has signed for pretty much every set ever made.

Not really, but it's been a LOT.

Bobby Orr was another popular autograph that you could never get for less than $100, now prices have been slipping and you can even find a hard-signed card for around $70 if it's from certain products.

Every passing year adds more and more to the market and prices will drop accordingly.
 
FrozenInferno said:
Yeah it's a result of autograph-heavy products filling the market with thousands of signatures over the past 15 years or so, and a guy like Brodeur has signed for pretty much every set ever made.

Not really, but it's been a LOT.

Bobby Orr was another popular autograph that you could never get for less than $100, now prices have been slipping and you can even find a hard-signed card for around $70 if it's from certain products.

Every passing year adds more and more to the market and prices will drop accordingly.
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this is it right here, if you think of it as what 8 products per year per company that have auto's in them. So most are non numbered auto inserts so even if you use /99 like this prime auto you'd have:

8x99 = 792 x 2 = 1584. (obviously the manth crued on this) But the point is there are 1584 auto's out there minium this year. And that's not counting the para-hell versions of panini products.

That's alot of cards.
 
FrozenInferno said:
Yeah it's a result of autograph-heavy products filling the market with thousands of signatures over the past 15 years or so, and a guy like Brodeur has signed for pretty much every set ever made.

Not really, but it's been a LOT.

Bobby Orr was another popular autograph that you could never get for less than $100, now prices have been slipping and you can even find a hard-signed card for around $70 if it's from certain products.

Every passing year adds more and more to the market and prices will drop accordingly.
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We go to our LCS and buy as many boxes (even cases) as we want, in a world where cards would hold their value every card company would release less than 5 sets per year and we should feel lucky to get a few boxes.
 
Small world, are you wasthatthemailman from Red Deer AB on E-Bay? If so the auction you won on the 20th was mine, let me know if you still want it.
 
nucks4cup said:
its called a flooded market
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Pretty much this. The number of brands when UD had an exclusive license was 20. Now I believe we have 24, 12 each for both companies.

Personally I wish the NHL just said "no" to Panini like MLB did. BBC collecting is healthier than ever right now because only Topps is making MLB cards. Then make UD go down to 10 brands gradually, maybe 8.

Funny thing about the collectibles business, competition often works the opposite way you expect. Normally competition is good if the product or service supplied has a utility. Utility goes up, price goes down. But in collectibles, collectibility goes up, price goes up, then collectibility goes down because the price going up in products reduces the amount demanded.

If we had fewer companies and fewer brands, where new sealed product didn't eat up so high a percentage of the hobby dollar and each product was available to dealers/distributors for at least half a year, we might actually have a healthy secondary market, which is critical for our hobby.
 
All of the above.

Honestly, it's a fair question. This is the inevitable result of the constant carping for "value" from card companies: that value erodes itself over time.
 
Everyone is bang on. SUpply and Demand. Supply is way too high and every year the demand drops. Its not just hockey. Even the great Michael Jordan, his first autos sold for serious $$ and now are not nearly as much.

Great for collectors bad for investors. Remember back in the day where some collector made it known he would pay 10K for the dual cup auto shield of roy/brodeur . . . . wonder how much he has lost on that.
 
Flooded market.. AND..

Look at closer all of those Prime Signatures cards.. a lot of smudged autos. That Brodeur is a redemption, who want's to take a risk for a 100$ smudgy autograph?

Harri
 
iidaemmi said:
Flooded market.. AND..

Look at closer all of those Prime Signatures cards.. a lot of smudged autos. That Brodeur is a redemption, who want's to take a risk for a 100$ smudgy autograph?

Harri
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That was exactly what I was thinking. They made the signature area too glossy, and the marker isn't adhering to the surface, and it makes it look like it's evaporating. I remember this happening as far back as in 2001 on SPx Golf. Surely to heck they could have figured out by now that Sharpie doesn't work very good on a glossy finish? Another case of the designers really have no clue as to what they're doing.
 
I pulled a redemption for a Howe/Yzerman/Lidstrom triple auto and I sure hope the autos aren't smudged and don't evaporate over time
 

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