Question about 1998-99 BD Quadruple card

[NaPa]

Hi fellows,

I just picked one Gilmour card from bay. It's 1998-99 Black Diamond Quadruple Diamond and looks like this:

Beckett tells that Quadruples are numbered to 100, but one collector mentioned that this one is not how they usually are numbered to - by hand.

My question is, what's the story behind this card, is it some replacement from UD or what ?

If anyone knows more, answer(s) is/are very much appreciated.

Thanks !

Jarkko

 

[suitman19]

Most likely a replacement for a damaged card.

Bruce

 

[Kharlamov17]

Did you ask the seller?

Victor

 

[djsports]

Most likely a replacement for a damaged card.

Bruce

+1 - I do not know when the switch occured, but Upper Deck used to number anything and everything by hand if it was damaged. I have a few of the 1999-00 Gold Reserve Young Guns that are numbered by hand. A couple of years ago I had a damaged 2005-06 Hot Prospects Red Hot out of a pack and they machine stamped the replacement.

 

[NaPa]

Thanks for the answers. I also asked the seller and here's the answer:

Hi Jarkko - If the original quadruple diamond card was damaged and sent back to Upper Deck, the card would be replaced by Upper Deck and sent back with a hand-written serial number on the back of the card, instead of the original machine stamped serial #. As I recall, Upper Deck had to deal with many of the cards sent back to them due to damages on either the corner or creases on the original card.

So, mystery has been solved . Thanks buddies.

Jarkko

 

[chadsexington]

UD still continues this current practice. If the card originally has a laser printed serial number (which I believe 98-99 BD had) and you send in for a replacement, they will return it to you with hand numbering. In the case of 05-06 Hot Prospects mentioned earlier, it was a machine stamped product. All machine stamped products are replaced with machine stamped cards.

 

[joecoolio]

I think its neat to get a hand numbered card instead of the machine stamped... of course the downside of it is anyone can write that on there

 

[JTMcCool]

Either way, that's a nice looking card.

 

[Mauri]

Thanks for the answers. I also asked the seller and here's the answer:

Hi Jarkko - If the original quadruple diamond card was damaged and sent back to Upper Deck, the card would be replaced by Upper Deck and sent back with a hand-written serial number on the back of the card, instead of the original machine stamped serial #. As I recall, Upper Deck had to deal with many of the cards sent back to them due to damages on either the corner or creases on the original card.

So, mystery has been solved . Thanks buddies.

Jarkko

So what does this mean
1) That there are 100 + "wild cards" of 100 made cards
2) That there were less than 100 numbered, say, 70 numbered + 30 "wild cards"

Does 100 made actually mean 100 released? Like "We made 150 of these, but only released 100, and once some of those 100 is returned damaged, we'll replace it with one of these 50 wild cards with the serial number that original had"?

 

[g-force]

I believe that they released all 100 and printed additional stock for replacements. I recall that the 01-02 SPX rookies had a lot of issues and replacements were hand numbered.

 

[Mauri]

I believe that they released all 100 and printed additional stock for replacements. I recall that the 01-02 SPX rookies had a lot of issues and replacements were hand numbered.

In other words that 100 is not "print run", it's "release run", right?

 

[chadsexington]

In other words that 100 is not "print run", it's "release run", right?

Bingo. They probably print 105-110 of them total and keep some on hand as replacement stock. Black Diamond's quality control due to its condition sensitivity has always been donkey butt though...so it wouldn't surprise me that they printed 110-120 of these total.

They would only have serial numbered and stuck 100 in packs (presumably) and kept the rest unnumbered.

 

[Mauri]

Bingo. They probably print 105-110 of them total and keep some on hand as replacement stock. Black Diamond's quality control due to its condition sensitivity has always been donkey butt though...so it wouldn't surprise me that they printed 110-120 of these total.

They would only have serial numbered and stuck 100 in packs (presumably) and kept the rest unnumbered.

Could this be some kind of explanation for the multiple copies of the 1/1 cards that been floating here every now and then?