Quick study on Jagr stick usage for 19-20 Engrained Remnants

[weasel-king]

I fully admit this should be filed under "internet pedant". However, I was looking at the recent Jagr cards in 19-20 Engrained. I know it is no mystery that there are oftentimes mismatched player uniforms and the game-used equipment in the card itself.

For Engrained, Jagr is pictured in Pens jerseys. However, based on the images on eBay thus far, UD used basically two sticks, neither of which he used as a Pens player.

The card images I nabbed from eBay, so they may very well belong to some of you here.

From the regular /100 Remnants--

These came from a CCM Vector model Jagr used with the Rangers. CCM appears a few different places, so they had several choices depending on how the stick was cut up:

Stick sections:

Upside-down "M":

Stick:

Bottom with shield and warranty:

Stick:

Bottom just by the nameplate:

Stick:

And this particular pattern appears under the handle area, so it seems they removed the tape as the white line is near the top:

Stick: (sorry, not removing my tape!)

They also used a Pure Combat stick, a model he used during his Dallas/Bruins/Flyers days.
The "P" and juuuust a touch of the "U":

Stick:

A gold line:

Stick:

The Auto Remnants are /35. There are a few very generic stick pieces, so it is hard to tell where they came from. But these two came from the Pure Combat stick again:

Gold line:

Stick:

The "U" and a bit of the "R":

Stick:

EDIT: There is one copy of the Flexures that has some distinguishing letters, but I forgot to look for it on my sticks. Maybe later...


So some questions:

1. Does this mean UD only has these two sticks in their possession at this time?

2. Did they simply use Pens pics because Jagr collectors tend to be more interested in his earlier career? Was it licensing?

3. If they had pieces of old Christian sticks or the old Koho models he used with the Pens, would they sell better?

Just random things I think about these days!

 

[HammerHawks]

My guess is they just wanted to picture him as a Pen for the collectibility sake. I doubt matching photos with sticks is a priority for the manufacturer and even collector, but it definitely makes you think about it for sure. That said, it's WAY more obvious with jerseys/patches, so there's likely a much greater effort there.

 

[hofhockeycards]

No answer to your questions but nice research!


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[ChuckNorrisFearsSid]

Great post! Love reading detective work like this on here. I would imagine if they don’t care enough to get jerseys right, which are blatantly obvious, they’re not caring about other equipment.

 

[creasecollector]

Awesome post, well done here ! Very informative. Great detective work on this one!

 

[FrozenInferno]

My guess is they just wanted to picture him as a Pen for the collectibility sake. I doubt matching photos with sticks is a priority for the manufacturer and even collector, but it definitely makes you think about it for sure. That said, it's WAY more obvious with jerseys/patches, so there's likely a much greater effort there.

Yeah, to them a stick is a stick pretty much. Mismatched jersey pieces are immediately obvious even to a novice collector because if it was a Jagr Pens photo and a blue jersey piece you'd know right away it's from a Rangers jersey or whatever. I don't think they expect to be called out on mismatched stick pieces since so few people look that close or even know enough about a players equipment to spot it. OP clearly knows his stuff and noticed it but I never would have made that connection in a million years.

 

[WatchMyBreaks]

Yeah, to them a stick is a stick pretty much. Mismatched jersey pieces are immediately obvious even to a novice collector because if it was a Jagr Pens photo and a blue jersey piece you'd know right away it's from a Rangers jersey or whatever. I don't think they expect to be called out on mismatched stick pieces since so few people look that close or even know enough about a players equipment to spot it. OP clearly knows his stuff and noticed it but I never would have made that connection in a million years.

It depends on how much you follow the player I guess. I can tell you what season a Datsyuk stick piece is from because he changed sticks pretty frequently or had updated paint jobs being the face of Reebok with Crosby.

It is nice to see companies using the correct photographs to accompany the correct memorabilia. I think most collectors would probably prefer their high end Jagr to be from Pittsburgh and not Calgary.

 

[deepbluejacket]

Love the work put into this post!

 

[HammerHawks]

Yeah, to them a stick is a stick pretty much. Mismatched jersey pieces are immediately obvious even to a novice collector because if it was a Jagr Pens photo and a blue jersey piece you'd know right away it's from a Rangers jersey or whatever. I don't think they expect to be called out on mismatched stick pieces since so few people look that close or even know enough about a players equipment to spot it. OP clearly knows his stuff and noticed it but I never would have made that connection in a million years.

Agreed. If I pulled this card myself, I might give it a thought just based on the fact they use "modern" stick pieces and that wasn't what Jagr would have been using in that photo. That said, I'm not sure how much mismatched photos with stick pieces would really bother me. I might think about it and realize it, but it probably wouldn't make me think less of the card because of it.

 

[sdpdesign]

NERD! NERD!

Lol. JK.

As some have stated, UD is probably not concerned when he played with what only that it was his. The photo of him in the Pens uni is iconic since he was a Pen first and that is primarily what his known for. You almost never see him in a retro card with him in the Caps uni.
The true collector and our OCD that bring these things out to the light. That the stick was when he was a Ranger is more significant for the collector that wants a photo and mem match. (UD’s Lindros on the Leafs, anyone?)

Great research. This type of retentiveness finds those Kenny fakes. Not a bad thing to have!