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Ryan Smyth update: LA-EDM had agreed to deal (Brule and a pick), Smyth waived NTC but all reportedly fell apart over Brule's health. #tsn
 
lots of money, hot girlfriend , plays a game he loves to get his "his lots of money" , fast car, big house , wouldnt you like to be half as terrible .
 
feel bad for Smyth and for EDM fans but Tambellini should have done more to make it happen. now EDM loses Smyth twice.
 
gretzky99 said:
feel bad for Smyth and for EDM fans but Tambellini should have done more to make it happen. now EDM loses Smyth twice.
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It's not completely dead yet - the Flames can't get him since they've got a deal for Tanguay. But the Oilers aren't going to give up anything significant either just for a PR move in the middle of a complete rebuild.

At the end of the day, the Kings are going to have to unload Smyth - and Smyth will pretty much agree only to going to Edmonton. So you have a guy wanting out with a big cap number and nowhere else to go. If you want to unload a big cap number without getting a major number back - you suck it up and just take the pick if you won't take Brule because of the concussion issue.

There just aren't options when you're dealing with a market of one and nowhere to go because of a NMC.
 
Hama said:
It's not completely dead yet - the Flames can't get him since they've got a deal for Tanguay. But the Oilers aren't going to give up anything significant either just for a PR move in the middle of a complete rebuild.

At the end of the day, the Kings are going to have to unload Smyth - and Smyth will pretty much agree only to going to Edmonton. So you have a guy wanting out with a big cap number and nowhere else to go. If you want to unload a big cap number without getting a major number back - you suck it up and just take the pick if you won't take Brule because of the concussion issue.

There just aren't options when you're dealing with a market of one and nowhere to go because of a NMC.
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they can always keep him and if Smyth doesn't want to stay he can retire
 
gretzky99 said:
they can always keep him and if Smyth doesn't want to stay he can retire
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Unlikely scenario - after messaging with Helene Elliott last night - it sounded like Lombardi had confirmed to her this deal was happening. And if they were going to buy out Brule anyways - just take the pick and move on and you save $750K in cap space.
 
Hama said:
Unlikely scenario - after messaging with Helene Elliott last night - it sounded like Lombardi had confirmed to her this deal was happening. And if they were going to buy out Brule anyways - just take the pick and move on and you save $750K in cap space.
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that's true - it would only be a $300K cap hit for the next two years to buyout Brule. i guess the question might be if he's not healthy can they buy him out?

i heard that since Brule is young enough he can be bought out for 1/3 of his deal spread out over two years.
 
If Brule is injured and can't pass the physical.. then he can't be bought out either..
 
the deal is dead according to DL until Tambellini stops demanding DL takes back Souray or damaged goods that can't be bought out.

i don't know how the EDM media is relaying this but in essence Tambellini is saying he doesn't want Smyth back unless it's totally on his terms. DL isn't stupid and will find a way to move Smyth somewhere else or keep him in L.A.

DL is trying to be nice and accommodate Smyth but not if it's going to cost him his cap space.

let it be known that DL tried and Tambellini was unwilling to send something other than Souray or damaged goods in return. that's how much he thinks of Ryan Smyth.
 
gretzky99 said:
the deal is dead according to DL until Tambellini stops demanding DL takes back Souray or damaged goods that can't be bought out.

i don't know how the EDM media is relaying this but in essence Tambellini is saying he doesn't want Smyth back unless it's totally on his terms. DL isn't stupid and will find a way to move Smyth somewhere else or keep him in L.A.

DL is trying to be nice and accommodate Smyth but not if it's going to cost him his cap space.

let it be known that DL tried and Tambellini was unwilling to send something other than Souray or damaged goods in return. that's how much he thinks of Ryan Smyth.
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It's going to get done in some form - it's a game of chicken - and a matter who blinks first. The Kings can just as easily take Souray back and buy him out too - especially if they're going to take a run at someone come July 1st.

You don't just get rid of a $6.5M cap hit for nothing - fact of life. Or they can just buy Smyth out themselves. The Kings are too far down this road, Lombardi's backed into a corner, and doesn't have much handy in terms of options. And AEG definitely has the resources to pay it out...
 
i think EDM is the team with the most to lose. how is Tambellini going to tell his fan base he didn't want Smyth back for virtually nothing?

i think DL tells Smyth you have three options...

1. play out the year in L.A.
2. waive your NMC and we'll talk with CGY and WPG and see if something will work out.
3. retire

a contract is a contract. DL is trying to be nice but EDM clearly doesn't want Smyth back w/o making DL take a bad contract and DL won't do it. he'd rather keep Smyth than buyout Souray because that's a waste of cap space. he has worked way too hard to put the Kings in a great cap situation to waste a lot of space because Smyth wants to go home.

Smyth is still a good player and would fit just fine on the 2nd line in L.A. DL won't buy him out - not a chance.

DL still has some space to work with even if he keeps Smyth. he can tender Doughty and re-sign him for one-year like NJ is doing with Parise and NSH is doing with Weber and then re-sign him to a long-term deal starting in 2012-13 when Smyth comes off the books anyway.

DL is fine - he doesn't need to move Smyth.

Hama said:
It's going to get done in some form - it's a game of chicken - and a matter who blinks first. The Kings can just as easily take Souray back and buy him out too - especially if they're going to take a run at someone come July 1st.

You don't just get rid of a $6.5M cap hit for nothing - fact of life. Or they can just buy Smyth out themselves. The Kings are too far down this road, Lombardi's backed into a corner, and doesn't have much handy in terms of options. And AEG definitely has the resources to pay it out...
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gretzky99 said:
i think EDM is the team with the most to lose. how is Tambellini going to tell his fan base he didn't want Smyth back for virtually nothing?

i think DL tells Smyth you have three options...

1. play out the year in L.A.
2. waive your NMC and we'll talk with CGY and WPG and see if something will work out.
3. retire

a contract is a contract. DL is trying to be nice but EDM clearly doesn't want Smyth back w/o making DL take a bad contract and DL won't do it. he'd rather keep Smyth than buyout Souray because that's a waste of cap space. he has worked way too hard to put the Kings in a great cap situation to waste a lot of space because Smyth wants to go home.

Smyth is still a good player and would fit just fine on the 2nd line in L.A. DL won't buy him out - not a chance.

DL still has some space to work with even if he keeps Smyth. he can tender Doughty and re-sign him for one-year like NJ is doing with Parise and NSH is doing with Weber and then re-sign him to a long-term deal starting in 2012-13 when Smyth comes off the books anyway.

DL is fine - he doesn't need to move Smyth.
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I understand your logic about Lombardi not wanting to take an expiring contract like Souray back; however, you are making an assumption that it isn't seen as essentially the same thing in the eyes of the Oilers. Why should they take on Smyth's contract without sending anything of consequence (contract wise) out? Again I have no idea what their thinking actually is, but neither do you and to say that Lombardi is trying to be nice is a bit of a half truth because he is trying to make the best deal for his team, the same thing the Oilers are doing. Neither team is in the "wrong" here.
 
canucksfreak19 said:
I understand your logic about Lombardi not wanting to take an expiring contract like Souray back; however, you are making an assumption that it isn't seen as essentially the same thing in the eyes of the Oilers. Why should they take on Smyth's contract without sending anything of consequence (contract wise) out? Again I have no idea what their thinking actually is, but neither do you and to say that Lombardi is trying to be nice is a bit of a half truth because he is trying to make the best deal for his team, the same thing the Oilers are doing. Neither team is in the "wrong" here.
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DL has said specifically that he did not want to trade Smyth and the only reason he is exploring a trade is because he was asked to by Smyth. why would DL trade away a left wing when that is the weakest position on the team. and not just a LW but one that was the third best goal scorer on the team last year and a leader.

of course DL is trying to improve the team and that is why he won't take a bad contract back. it's similar to the Senators when Heatley said he wanted to be traded. you don't want a player that is unhappy but you want to get some value for him. DL doesn't have to accommodate Smyth's wishes if he doesn't want to - he's not obligated in any way.

i don't think EDM is in the wrong, i just think Tambellini isn't being smart here. he has cap space to burn and his fans want Smyth back in EDM. he only has a one year deal and he can help your team. i understand he wants the best for his team but to try and screw over DL isn't going to work and he's not going to get Smyth because DL won't do it. he has said he won't and there is no reason to believe otherwise.

you would think Tambellini would make sure not to screw this one up given Smyth's history with EDM and the good publicity it would bring to his team. guess not.
 
Again how is he trying to "screw over" Lombardi? As a Kings fan I understand your perspective; however, he is just trying to make the best deal for his team.

And if this deal doesn't go through there may well be some vocal angst expressed by Oiler fans, but it won't do anything to the bottom line of the Oilers, in fact it'll save them money because Smyth wouldn't bring in more money to the team then he would cost them.
 
canucksfreak19 said:
Again how is he trying to "screw over" Lombardi? As a Kings fan I understand your perspective; however, he is just trying to make the best deal for his team.

And if this deal doesn't go through there may well be some vocal angst expressed by Oiler fans, but it won't do anything to the bottom line of the Oilers, in fact it'll save them money because Smyth wouldn't bring in more money to the team then he would cost them.
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trying to pawn off Souray or a concussed Brule in my mind would constitute "screwing over", but that's just me.

Smyth would only cost them $4M+ as his salary this year is much lower than his cap hit. i can't imagine they wouldn't recoup much of that with him returning plus the leadership he would bring to that very young team. and again, let's not forget he's a gym rat and he scored 23 goals last year which would put him near the top on EDM.

i'm just saying that this should be a no-brainer. Smyth for a pick. Smyth wants to go there, it would be a coup for EDM to have him back both for the team and the PR department (and they could use some of that) and L.A. isn't asking for anything of value in return which is clear by the trade that didn't go through.

this should be a slam dunk trade and it seems pretty obvious that Tambellini is trying to get over and i think he is going to cost his city seeing their hero come home.
 
G99 ... You are taking this way to seriously!
The way I see it, both GM's have been trying to get the leverage in the deal. ST wanted to give the fans what they were begging for, but DL decided to play hardball and involve our provincial rival in the talks. smyth asked to be traded to Edmonton...not Calgary. If there is one thing our GM has learned from such instances as the Heatley fiasco, is that he is not going to be bullied into a bidding war.

In all fairness, the Oilers have had more pressing business this weekend, than to spend countless hours trying negotiate with the Kings.
If Lombardi is only trying to buy out a contract, why doesn't he just take Frasers contract in exchange.. Seriously, what difference does it make.

If DL wants to barter for days on end, respectable GM's like Tambi with obviously bigger
agendas and priorities, is just going to wash their hands of it all. To be honest, I'm sick of hearing about this trade and DL can keep him.
The Oilers are so stocked with young talent, we really dont need him.
Maybe the Oil will go after Richards this off-season...it would be quite easy to do financially and we would be a better team.

Personally, the Kings can keep a disgruntled player on their roster if that's what they want to do. It only makes their other Western rivals take advantage of that on the ice come October.
Sorry Lombardi...but you lose any way you look at it.
 
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