Not a conspiracy, thats not what Im saying. What Im saying is the league does communicate with the referees as to that they want called and not called. Look at prelockout calls. MOST of the time it was pretty apparent that a penalty was a penalty. Im not saying that I didnt think the Flyers got jacked, what Im saying is there werent so many marginal calls. The referees are employees of the NHL, and as such, they do receive direction from their employers. Im not saying conspiracy, Im saying the league needs to permit the officials to let marginal, non game effecting plays, slide and tell the officials that unless you are 100% certain of a call, dont make it. Thats what Im saying. Its a side effect of the push for more goal scoring
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Not a conspiracy, thats not what Im saying. What Im saying is the league does communicate with the referees as to that they want called and not called. Look at prelockout calls. MOST of the time it was pretty apparent that a penalty was a penalty. Im not saying that I didnt think the Flyers got jacked, what Im saying is there werent so many marginal calls. The referees are employees of the NHL, and as such, they do receive direction from their employers. Im not saying conspiracy, Im saying the league needs to permit the officials to let marginal, non game effecting plays, slide and tell the officials that unless you are 100% certain of a call, dont make it. Thats what Im saying. Its a side effect of the push for more goal scoring
Boom Boom
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Ok I understand what you are saying. They do allow the officials to apply a degree of interpretation to their calls at this point. The term they use when discussing the application of their interpretation is "game management". A simple way to describe it would be the interpretation and application of the rules with current game conditions in mind.
right, but theres no denying thats not what the league wants. They just see PP=goals=$$$.
Now ironically, as I sit here watching the Jets Colts game, how is it that an NFL official can watch a game thats quicker, and get catch/no catch calls on the sideline correct well over 80% of the time? How can they be so good, yet NHL officials are so bad???
Boom Boom
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Many would disagree with you. Officials from all sports look to hockey officials with a great deal of respect for how difficult their job is. It is a widely held belief, by a large number of officials of all sports, that with the degree of interpretation that the rules of hockey provide and the speed of the game itself, hockey is one of, if not the, most difficult sport to officiate.
If you look at all the calls and decisions that officials make during a hockey game, the majority of those calls are interpretation based calls. In football, although these types of calls exist, they are less in number than the cut and dried "is he over the line or not" type calls.
The rules of hockey allow for a large degree of interpretation. It is the nature of the game itself. The NHL knows this and allows the refs to interpret these rules with game management in mind.
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Stadium Sports
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Does the game really need to change?
Yes, it needs to go back to the way it was in the early 90's.
The fighting, the hitting, the way the game was played when it was widely considered the toughest game on the planet. Not this sissy stuff now.
Stadium Sports
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Well they can play the rap-music after each whistle if you want it to go gangsta.
If anything, the only thing they really took out of the game as far as I can see is the blatant stick violations. People still hit and fight - they just do it at a far faster speed.
Sure Briere does not go into the corner but at $9,000,000 a year - he has to protect his nails.
That is not the fault of the refs.
If anything, the only thing they really took out of the game as far as I can see is the blatant stick violations. People still hit and fight - they just do it at a far faster speed.
Sure Briere does not go into the corner but at $9,000,000 a year - he has to protect his nails.
That is not the fault of the refs.
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cards-gotta-go
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Then find another sport to watch... it's NOT going back there.
Boom Boom
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No, I think the game has improved immensely since the lockout. Far more entertaining to watch talent show what it can do than be stifled by clutching and grabbing. That may not please some, but this fan likes it better.
pssteve
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The game does not need to change.The officiating emphasis or game management needs to change. The emphasis changed after the lockout when Walcome took over and with the support of the GM's they decided to call every ticky tack infraction. This led to diving becoming the norm.
In yesterday's Pens vs Flyers game a Pen (Golagoski) got called for crosschecking Pronger in front of the net. Replay showed Pronger sprawling to the ice after being pushed in the back yet this was called. Guess they would call it game management as this was in the first period and Pens were on PP. If you can't push and shove in front of the net what's left?
GoCanGo
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So, for practical reasons, you can't ask for a review for a penalty every time you don't agree with it.
What about we put in a rule like in the NFL, where you can, once a game (I believe, not a big FB fan), contest a call? This would solve MANY problems with referees IMO, while keeping the game's fast pace.
What about we put in a rule like in the NFL, where you can, once a game (I believe, not a big FB fan), contest a call? This would solve MANY problems with referees IMO, while keeping the game's fast pace.
frankiefives
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You cannot contest a penalty in the NFL. You can only challenge plays. Coaches can challenge things like fumbles, incomplete passes, player crossing the line for a TD, etc.
You have to let the people you hire and trust do their jobs. People make mistakes but overall, I think the refs do a great job. We have to remember that these guys are making calls when the game is at full speed. Of course they won't get everything right...
GoCanGo
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Ok lol maybe I was partly wrong about the NFL thing (I only watch the Super Bowl lol), but you have to admit that allowing video replay once per team per game to contest a penalty (or absence thereof) might solve most of the problems concerning referees that many people seem to complain about. The game would not end up being a lot longer after all.
This would mean we could still trust the refs in general, but it would help REPAIR certain mistakes that are blatantly obvious to spectators, players and coaches yet not to the ref in the heat of the action for whatever reason.
