Taylor Hall Traded to the Devils for Larsson

[TheGriceBoys]

there has to be more to it. there must be something on the inside maybe like a mike Richards and jeff carter thing, where he is young rich and maybe likes the party life....... rumor had it that he was a partier and maybe that's the reason they traded him........ I'm pretty sure he could've gotten more but maybe ( I highly doubt it ) reuniting him with Henrique might change his party life and look at life differently
only time will tell but I'm shocked as much as you are , I honestly thought hall would get traded but I thought he would've gone to Detroit
Hall Henrique, ryan ellis , still come back to Windsor during the off season and hang out, maybe you might see ryan ellis become a devil as well

There's irony in what you said about him being a party animal akin to Richards and Carter but then stating he is now reunited with Henrique and that could be better? It could be but it also may make him MORE of a party animal if that is indeed a problem?

Either way, this is all speculation. What is quantifiable is they absolutely should have gotten more for the second best of their 4 number one picks. (after McDavid)

 

[cburt]

Bad deal. Made no sense in Edmonton trading the guy who has been their best player and should have continued to be part of the rebuild. Should've been Hopkins, Yapukov or someone else. Hall himself was truly disappointed. But I am sure the devils are laughing now. I imagine Hall will continue to be one of the best forwards in the game. Larsson hasn't really proven himself yet, albeit he is young, and has the potential, but trading Hall for him? I don't want to say this deal was a bust, but I guess the only thing Chiarelli can have confidence in is the fact that he has still got a lot of young talent there, and stealing Puljujarvi at the draft only helps him justify getting rid of Hall (of course there's the obvious in having McDavid, also the rise of Draisaitl also factors into his decision). I don't doubt Chiarelli knows a thing or two about the GM position, but remember he's also the guy who traded Sequin, another guy who is one of the top forwards in the league. Still hard to believe this will turn out well for the Oilers. Guy's who can score 80+ points in the league today are not that easy to come by.

Had the Oilers been able to get Subban or Weber, I don't think anyone would be shaking their heads at this one at all. Maybe the asking price for those guy's was too high, or maybe the option wasn't there? I don't know. I just know there will be a lot of pressure on Larsson to prove he's the big piece to fill their needs at D.

 

[frankiefives]

Bad deal. Made no sense in Edmonton trading the guy who has been their best player and should have continued to be part of the rebuild. Should've been Hopkins, Yapukov or someone else. Hall himself was truly disappointed. But I am sure the devils are laughing now. I imagine Hall will continue to be one of the best forwards in the game. Larsson hasn't really proven himself yet, albeit he is young, and has the potential, but trading Hall for him? I don't want to say this deal was a bust, but I guess the only thing Chiarelli can have confidence in is the fact that he has still got a lot of young talent there, and stealing Puljujarvi at the draft only helps him justify getting rid of Hall (of course there's the obvious in having McDavid, also the rise of Draisaitl also factors into his decision). I don't doubt Chiarelli knows a thing or two about the GM position, but remember he's also the guy who traded Sequin, another guy who is one of the top forwards in the league. Still hard to believe this will turn out well for the Oilers. Guy's who can score 80+ points in the league today are not that easy to come by.

Funny thing is Hall was the main reason Draisaitl had such a good season!

 

[Hama]

What needed to be done has been done - and there's probably more moves on the way. I suspect that only one of the core three may be standing at the end of the day. It didn't work with all three of them there, and standing put wasn't an option. Really the only untouchable was 97, and if the fans think that keeping all three of them was going to help the rebuild - I've got some swampland to sell...

Change hurts, but it was absolutely necessary for this franchise to move forward. It didn't work with all three of them there for 4-5 years, so it's time... regardless of the negative reaction. Everyone else can think they can do a better job - but playing fantasy hockey is so easy when you can do it without mulling all the other factors involved that most folks don't have to think about...

 

[frankiefives]

What needed to be done has been done - and there's probably more moves on the way. I suspect that only one of the core three may be standing at the end of the day. It didn't work with all three of them there, and standing put wasn't an option. Really the only untouchable was 97, and if the fans think that keeping all three of them was going to help the rebuild - I've got some swampland to sell...

Change hurts, but it was absolutely necessary for this franchise to move forward. It didn't work with all three of them there for 4-5 years, so it's time... regardless of the negative reaction. Everyone else can think they can do a better job - but playing fantasy hockey is so easy when you can do it without mulling all the other factors involved that most folks don't have to think about...

Art, I think most of us agree that major changes were needed. What we're saying is the return for Hall wasn't enough. If it was Larsson they wanted fine but they should have been able to extract more from NJ

 

[Hama]

Funny thing is Hall was the main reason Draisaitl had such a good season!

He may have had chemistry with Hall, but Draisaitl's development when they finally sent him down in January 2015 is probably the biggest factor in him developing into the player he is now. I don't think he'll be hurting too badly with Maroon and Eberle (for the time being) as his wingers

 

[cburt]

Art, I think most of us agree that major changes were needed. What we're saying is the return for Hall wasn't enough. If it was Larsson they wanted fine but they should have been able to extract more from NJ

That's definitely the point people are trying to make. Had the Devils even thrown in another draft pick or something, it would have made the pill easier to swallow, but still trading your best player away in Hall? I imagine two out of the other three might also go (Eberle, Hopkins, Yaks), and maybe when it is all said and done, in the totality of it all, there will be some sense to the overall scenario. Still the individual deal sucks, and stands as one of the worst deals in a long time.

 

[timber09]

Saw a great quote from an NHL executive who said "We didn't even know Hall was available? If we had we would have STARTED with two future 1st rounders AND a 2nd pairing d man."

If that is real then that NHL Executive should be fired immediately. Anyone that didn't know Hall was available clearly had their head firmly positioned in their posterior.

Talk of Edmonton moving one winger, and the likelihood that the winger would have to be Hall, has been going on for some time now.

 

[tiger tiger]

If that is real then that NHL Executive should be fired immediately. Anyone that didn't know Hall was available clearly had their head firmly positioned in their posterior.

Talk of Edmonton moving one winger, and the likelihood that the winger would have to be Hall, has been going on for some time now.

yes. especially since the draft just happened. All the GMs are around. If you saw GMs from Edm and NJ sitting down for lunch, it should have raised some eyebrows. Word of mouth travels fast.

There should have been ample opportunity to speak with other GMs. Plus everyone knew Edm was looking for a d. And as soon as Puljujarvi dropped to them, Edm had to change plans. That exec should have picked up the phone and said, Hey, are you interested in any of my d?

 

[Hama]

Art, I think most of us agree that major changes were needed. What we're saying is the return for Hall wasn't enough. If it was Larsson they wanted fine but they should have been able to extract more from NJ

They could've held fast - and watch Shero pull the trigger on another deal. With a stagnant cap, it's clear that taking on more money than what you're giving up is a factor in the deal. Fact is, Larsson is making just over $4M/yr for the next five years. Given the current price of D, and relative value to a winger - I'm of the belief Chiarelli pull the trigger now, than to see what shakes out on Friday. With little premium D available on the UFA market, would it be a stretch to see another team step up and obtain Larsson when there was a deal to be made?

You can wait and wait, but if you end not doing it and the D stays as it is? That would've been worse. I do believe that in a year or two, this will be in the Oilers favour. Call me crazy if you want, I've been called far worse... :dizzy:

 

[will-411]

The only cat with real skin in this game is Chiarelli. He knows the optics of this and knows he's the one who has to take the heat on it and potentially get fired if things go wrong. With that said, I'm of the belief this was not a five minute and done conversation, and that there were other options looked at, as well as trying to pry more out of New Jersey. I give him the benefit of the doubt when he says this is the best trade that he could make to address current team issues... Why trade for more draft picks? They've got a skilled group that should be of an age to round into form in the next two years. Adding a fourth round pick or even a late first from this year doesn't help. They wanted D help NOW.

In regards to the reports of Hall's party ways - it wouldn't be the first time a ringleader of such activities was deemed to be a bad influence on the rest of the team and he was cleared out to make room for a new presence and culture in the dressing room. Everyone is professional though so we don't hear the nitty gritty dirty details, but it's possible that was part of it too.

Cory

 

[Breakaway Dealz]

I agree with you cburt! I can't understand why Hall got traded. Makes no sence to me.
Should have been someone else.

 

[OilersRule]

In case anyone was wondering...yes I still feel like puking!

I'll still buy & trade for your Hallsy cards...because he's that good

 

[mikeydcalgary]

Everybody is not giving Larsson enough credit. Edmonton got a d-man who plays 22+ minutes a night has a +15 rating which is impressive since the Devils are not a high scoring team ...lowest in the league. Edmontons goalie just said thank you...lol.

He is not a d-man who scores lots of goals but I would rather have a guy who helps keep the puck out of the net any day.

Hall is being overvalued. Everyone says he one of the top 3 left wings in the league. I disagree. Top 10 maybe. Gaudreau has more points. I would take Marchand over Hall.

 

[Tachyon]

I'm really liking this trade. Another great trade we've seen lately. The Subban/Weber and the Anderson to Toronto trades are great too.

A little shocking to me at first, I thought for sure Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle would remain in Edmonton and they would get rid of Yakupov and possibly Hopkins.

But then it dawned on me that Henrique and Hall used to be teammates in the minors. Stupid penalties, fighting and attitude doesn't go well with lack of defensemen. Edmonton has created a lot more balance in this trade (hopefully) and New Jersey adds chemistry.

So another great and exciting trade. Very much looking forward to seeing more trades. If Stamkos had went to Detroit like I wanted my excitement for the new Season and the Toronto Expo would have piqued already ! I'm usually giddy like a school-girl when the puck drops to open up the new season but I've never been so giddy that I hoped Canada Day was the start of the new season

 

[cburt]

I agree with you cburt! I can't understand why Hall got traded. Makes no sence to me.
Should have been someone else.

Thanks. I think we all understand the Oilers need of a couple better d-men, but you'd think they could have gotten a lot more for Hall, or traded one of the three stooges (Eberle, Hopkins, Yaks) for Larsson. The argument for Larsson is he is young, has potential, and played for a defensive system, etc., etc. Hard, imo, to base too much of a trade on "potential" and talent when there is not much on paper to support this trade. Keeping Hall would have meant the Oilers would have at least two pretty darn good lines. Nobody knows how even Puljujärvi will pan-out, or even Larsson. At least with Hall we know what he has done and can do, and that he has been one of the top forwards in the league the past few years. I bet Hall has a strong year, statistically with the Devils next season.

 

[canucksfreak19]

Thanks. I think we all understand the Oilers need of a couple better d-men, but you'd think they could have gotten a lot more for Hall, or traded one of the three stooges (Eberle, Hopkins, Yaks) for Larsson. The argument for Larsson is he is young, has potential, and played for a defensive system, etc., etc. Hard, imo, to base too much of a trade on "potential" and talent when there is not much on paper to support this trade. Keeping Hall would have meant the Oilers would have at least two pretty darn good lines. Nobody knows how even Puljujärvi will pan-out, or even Larsson. At least with Hall we know what he has done and can do, and that he has been one of the top forwards in the league the past few years. I bet Hall has a strong year, statistically with the Devils next season.

And the Oilers knew; through years of evidence, that they were not going to win anything with Taylor Hall on their team.

 

[newfiecomicguy1]

I wonder if they spoke with Nashville on trading for Shea Weber apparently he was available lol. I guess they wanted someone a little Younger. I really don't have a problem with the deal if Larson plays 23-25 solid minutes like he can. Every team wants a top pairing D there aren't that many around same a big skilled centres. If you want them you will pay for them. Lots of time arm chair GM see goal scoring and point producing as the measuring stick and not the complete package and need. Larson fits their need, he is big, skilled, young and also has a cheaper contract. They can also push through with the fact that this is McDavids team.

 

[Hama]

I wonder if they spoke with Nashville on trading for Shea Weber apparently he was available lol. I guess they wanted someone a little Younger. I really don't have a problem with the deal if Larson plays 23-25 solid minutes like he can. Every team wants a top pairing D there aren't that many around same a big skilled centres. If you want them you will pay for them. Lots of time arm chair GM see goal scoring and point producing as the measuring stick and not the complete package and need. Larson fits their need, he is big, skilled, young and also has a cheaper contract. They can also push through with the fact that this is McDavids team.

Except with a potentially stagnant cap for a couple of years, you'll have to give Draisaitl and Nurse a raise next summer, and start negotiating an extension for McDavid. Even if you do take on either Weber on Subban - that's potentially $16-18 M on two guys - and that's about 25% of your entire cap... With you're paying Lucic, Eberle, RNH, Pouliot, Sekera and Fayne alone... that doesn't leave much left for everyone else.

 

[cburt]

And the Oilers knew; through years of evidence, that they were not going to win anything with Taylor Hall on their team.

I don't know if any of that was Hall's fault. Most people would blame the old boys club of previous years - i.e. Lowe and Company, for most of the blame. I've heard some of the rumours about Hall, but on the ice is what counts most, and he loved being an Oiler and was truly sad to leave. I think he, and Oilers fans alike knew better years were around the corner with McDavid being there, etc. The Oilers with all of their lottery picks, as everyone knows, were an embarrassment to the league for many years, but management is to blame for that. I am sure Chiarelli is not done, but Hopkins, Yaks or Eberle should have gone instead. Hard to believe the Devils wouldn't have taken one of those three for Larsson. I really doubt the intangibles or off-ice stuff really played such a huge factor in justifying this deal, trading Hall for Larsson. But anyway, this one is in the books. We can only wish both guy's well and much in the way of success.