The 1st Virtual Expo - feedback thread : KEEP IT CONSTRUCTIVE

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First and foremost, let's please keep this to constructive feedback. Think of it as you taking the time to identify opportunities for improvement. It'll more than likely become part of the new norm so trying to influence the "virtuality" (yes I made up that word) could be significantly important! It'll be very tempting to turn your post into a venting session, try to avoid that please. If necessary try to be as specific as possible as your points may be evaluated for ease of implementation as well as improvement of the experience.

The way I see it we benefit from having a couple of folks on this site that can probably present our thread to the EXPO team (toward the next Virtual Expo). Keeping it constructive will keep the readers more interested in addressing what they find. I would like to ask the website moderators to delete any posts that don't bring some level of constructive criticism or positive suggestions.

For example, and to start things off:

My first attempt was on Friday afternoon, I already had my log in name and password (this was a fairly simple process). I was able to click on the link to the Virtual Show but it really wasn't obvious nor intuitive. For the log in process, consider making it a very large button, maybe even bright colours. You want the start up step to be the most simple, most easy to find step of the entire process. If people can't find it easily, they will move onto other things in life.

Once I was in, again it didn't feel easy to get into what I wanted to get into. Were the links there? Yes, but all the advertising noise made them less apparent. Once I found the links, I sat back and surfed a bit without joining any specific discussions/presentations; to try to get a feel for the layout. It certainly didn't come to me quickly, but I could get the general gist, but again it was a lot of concentration/thinking to get to that point.

From there I thought I would go into a booth to see that experience. The first few I went to were a shot of an empty chair. Consider providing the vendors some instructions on what to do while they are away (ie a sign saying "Back in 10 mins" or whatever). Seeing nothing on the screen leaves me feeling nothing, so I moved on, never to go back to that booth.

When I did find a vendor on the screen, I could hear him talking, and see his text messages down the right, but again it was not intuitive to me as to how to get in. I knew I had to take a step or two to get there, but it simply wasn't clear to me. I ended up moving on, but please consider more visual concepts when laying that booth experience out. Maybe even a banner that says "nobody can hear you or see you until you click here" on a very large button.

At that point something came up in real life and I had to shut down. It's now Saturday, and I received an email that today was the last day. I think this is a great idea and would suggest you keep this in place. However, today my password doesn't work, re-setting my password doesn't work. Further update: I've got past the password issue, but now I'm stuck on a page that says "reception" and "Authenticating...". I seem to be stuck there because nothing is happening. Again getting into the Expo is far too bumpy and needs to be smoothed out. Having attendees frustrated right out of the gate will only make their opinions more jaded as they try the next steps.

Due to extensive trials, I have also come to realize that internet browser selection is important, consider putting that information somewhere too.

Lastly, I'm my job they utilize a system referred to as UAT (User Acceptance Testing), maybe consider doing that before the next expo. The trick to this is to find people that won't simply give you the thumbs up. Find people that can provide constructive points, but are also comfortable showing their frustration. It feels so close to a good experience, but it'll take some professional layout skills to get it there (and no, I'm not that guy).

Glenn Conners
 
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DEALERS...YOU NEED TO BE BETTER ORGANIZED.

Setting up something like a Flickr account or somewhere that hosts photos with pics of your cards and prices would go a LONG way to making more deals than to ask you and have you dig around.
 
Maybe get celebrity guests that won’t flake at the last minute. Both Kevin Nash and Reggie Jackson cancelled last minute. Googling Kevin Nash and autograph appearances, this seems to be his M.O.
 
DEALERS...YOU NEED TO BE BETTER ORGANIZED.

Setting up something like a Flickr account or somewhere that hosts photos with pics of your cards and prices would go a LONG way to making more deals than to ask you and have you dig around.

Agree 100%

I would say from what I have seen so far, Ameets was the most user friendly. Google docs one click to nice big scans pricing on each card. I actually preferred the gang pictures

Jeremys was a close second . individual scans of cards well separated in buckets Vintage, modern rookies etc

Everyone else dropped off rapidly for me.


I have a very specific group of needle in a hay stack items I am looking for, but I love looking at well priced medium to high end after that. I can’t call out everything that I would buy, so let me see what you have. A few folks did a great job in conversation. A few I couldn’t get them to allow me in even though I was the only one there. Another gent was busy stocking shelves and never turned around to check his screen.


I’m going back in today. I’ll give it a couple of hours as no matter what, I still consider this fun


Pacman
 
I logged in Friday and was hoping for a medium that "simulates" the Expo, meaning I could browse each dealers wares. And not just an eBay store, I search it daily already, lol. I have a few very specific items I'm after, but then my wants go to "whatever catches my eye". Not being able to browse goods readily really disappointed me and I have to admit I became frustrated easily and just gave up. I'm glad to hear at least some dealers like Jeremy and Ameet had things laid out better. I'd definitely be game to try the virtual Expo again if there was more visible access to items for sale.
 
I think my main problem was that a lot of the inventory was already out on ebay. From what I saw, that is where we were directed by majority of the sellers.

Which sucks for a couple of reasons: #1. If you had it on ebay, I would have already seen in. #2. It's not so easy to look through ebay, as looking through Ameet's and Jeremy's lists/documents.

The worse ones were the dealers that only directed people to their own websites (majority of them were not very friendly either). I noticed a couple didn't have a search engine.

So yeah, inventory and like everyone said, preparedness would be my two main issues with the show.

The app/program was pretty cool. I think that was done well. Lot of options and features. Again, I'm not very technical, but I found this to be a positive!

Here's hoping the next one goes better!
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Lu
 
I echo most people here in that the more organized the dealer is the better. I have specific wants and if I can't find it I like to browse to see if something catches my eye. It's a lot of work on the dealer side but it's the same as just putting out a display case. And if it's on eBay most people probably have already seen it. We're looking for those hidden gems.
For my money the best dealers in that respect were Ameet, Jeremy, and Imperial.
 
It just wasn't the same without the BO... lol

Agreed though, having gang scans is where it's at for me. I'm the type of guy that buys 90% of his stuff in the "that caught my eye" category, and without seeing scans I really had little to ask dealers (and not feel like I was a tire kicker wasting their time).

On that note, the potential is huge here.
 
Honestly, I think this is a good first attempt, and I think this should be an adjunct to future Expos. Part of table cost can be a heavily discounted rate for WiFi (the international center wants $250 for 3 days, LOL) to enable this for sellers that want to participate.
 
There were clearly dealers who figured out how to make their booth experience as real as possible and perhaps they could conduct a clinic for those that need help. Some need more help than others. If a dealer has no idea what they have and we can't see what they have the net outcome is going to zero.
 
Here are my random thoughts

  • As many others have mentioned, the Dealers that made the effort to prepare for this show were rewarded with sales. Those that were interactive and engaging, at least made the Booth experience enjoyable. I popped into a Vintage booth and one of their patrons was doing a tour of their Leaf man cave. It was like a museum tour!
  • It was great that collectors could post in the main Show chat, but many took advantage of this. Perhaps make a separate bulletin board chat and allow attendees to only post ONCE. Perhaps links to attendee inventories would cost a small fee? Then leave the main Show chat to vendors posting promos, etc. Afterall, vendors are PAYING to set up and post links to their inventory. Free attendance should not enable people to similarly post links to their inventory.
  • It was great seeing "celebrity" attendees like Billy C and Dr Price randomly popping into booths and on cam. This may be an unintended cool feature of this format.
  • Sadly, I think the Breakers missed out on a fantastic opportunity. The GREAT Breakers are great because they have on-cam personality, and usually a large following of loyal customers in their Break chats. The Breakers' "day jobs" would have set them up perfectly for this environment. To take it a step further, they could have made Expo exclusive breaks & box sales, only available to show attendees. Their loyal customers that generate great banter in their Break chats could have gone on cam in their booth, giving opportunity to "meet" people who you only know by screen names. The Breaker's skill set should translate to easy success in this format.
  • I really enjoyed the Main Stage interviews and sessions. Next time they should improve the abruptness of how some of the interviews ended. It was almost like they were on a 5 second delay, so the show would end midway through the speakers last sentence. Also, it would be great if the Stage chat could be cleared before the next session begins.
  • I am not sure how the vendors that cater to Dollar Bins, or towering stacks of inserts on their real-life tables can be included in this experience. Its almost as if they would have to have their own personal COMC set up for cards they have on hand. That would take a LOT for effort to scan those cards. It may be hard to justify for guys selling 0.25 inserts? BUT -- if someone was to take that leap and scan/list common inserts/rookies, etc, they may corner the market at the next Expo VE.
  • UD did a fun Main Stage session showing some of their products. It was mostly a tour of their UDA showroom, but it may give an opportunity for other manufacturers to do sessions allowing patrons to take a peak behind the curtain. Ultra Pro had a session with Tours of their Factory. For some reason I was expecting a LIVE tour, but instead it was a video that wasn't really targeted towards Sports Collectors. Manufacturers showing some more behind the scenes information would be well received. AND -- in this format you can open one tab to listen to the Main Stage and continue browsing Booths. This is not possible at the Real Expo.
  • The software app was pretty much as I expected but I did have one annoyance. This may not be in as much control of the Promoter, but perhaps they can pass it on.

    I didn't see an easy way to keep my spot in the vendor list when I was going through each one. ie, I would go into a booth, click Back, and then I was back at the top of the Vendor List. I would have to scroll down the page to find where I left off. VCR controls inside the booth to go to Previous-Next would be great. If this feature is already there, I must've missed it.

Overall, it was a great first impression, with room to make it more enjoyable and rewarding ($) for those involved next time.
 
I am not sure how the vendors that cater to Dollar Bins, or towering stacks of inserts on their real-life tables can be included in this experience. Its almost as if they would have to have their own personal COMC set up for cards they have on hand. That would take a LOT for effort to scan those cards. It may be hard to justify for guys selling 0.25 inserts? BUT -- if someone was to take that leap and scan/list common inserts/rookies, etc, they may corner the market at the next Expo VE.

Wonder how Ameet will tackle this if at all at the next VE. Too much hassle to be worth it?
 
I think with common inserts/rookies a google doc would be sufficient.

With patch cards, autos, graded cards, etc photos would be best.
 
One thing vendor's/participants should remember is that when your sound is on, you hear everything. I was in Ameet's booth for a few minutes with Jason and Ameet and had my mic on and all they could hear were my boys in the background so I graciously stepped away.
Later in the day, I was able to get back on and listened to people chewing and slurping drinks.

I found the individual chat's the easiest way to communicate my wants with the dealers and I had a few reach out to me after the show because they had located some cards that they thought I might be interested in.

Overall, I really like the virtual show and being able to talk/interact live with like minded people was a ton of fun.
 
One thing vendor's/participants should remember is that when your sound is on, you hear everything. I was in Ameet's booth for a few minutes with Jason and Ameet and had my mic on and all they could hear were my boys in the background so I graciously stepped away.
Later in the day, I was able to get back on and listened to people chewing and slurping drinks.

I found the individual chat's the easiest way to communicate my wants with the dealers and I had a few reach out to me after the show because they had located some cards that they thought I might be interested in.

Overall, I really like the virtual show and being able to talk/interact live with like minded people was a ton of fun.

HAHAHAHA.. yes that took me for a ride because I am like.. hmm what the heck is that sound..
 
Has anybody considered taking the virtual expo concept and adapting it on a smaller scale to do virtual trade nights? Fire up a Zoom call or a version of this expo software to just do regular trade nights every so often to buy/sell/trade and just chat about the hobby in general?
 
Has anybody considered taking the virtual expo concept and adapting it on a smaller scale to do virtual trade nights? Fire up a Zoom call or a version of this expo software to just do regular trade nights every so often to buy/sell/trade and just chat about the hobby in general?

That's a really good idea. Have a general chat room, but the ability to break away to individual chats to finalize deals. A link to everyone's bucket/dropbox/googledocs so you can look through their traders. I haven't done much on zoom, does it allow that type of function?
 
That's a really good idea. Have a general chat room, but the ability to break away to individual chats to finalize deals. A link to everyone's bucket/dropbox/googledocs so you can look through their traders. I haven't done much on zoom, does it allow that type of function?

there is a chat room at the top of the page that used to be very busy back in the day , it has individual chat as well , though no video capability but people used to put links on there all the time. Maybe using this room for trade nights on a spacific time and day could be the answer . since it is already there.
sorry for the hijack of the thread but i have to say i echo most of the comments above.
 
I popped around a bit on Saturday afternoon. My thoughts are if you do it right as seller, it can be lucrative as you cut down on a lot of overhead/set-up costs associated with a physical show. Downfall is that you have to do conversion rates, negotiate shipping, etc. (maybe post these ahead of time) I could see how some folks may not want to deal with that or there could be a disagreement on what is fair. Also, you are left with packaging and shipping out all the cards after the show (unless you had the ability or wherewithal to do it immediately after the sale). Having a virtual showcase is important. It allows the guest to browse and see if anything catches their eye. Having nice cards to show also attracts (i.e.- eye candy). I purchased cards from 2 of the 3 booths I saw that had a "showcase".
Being patient with the guest is also important. Both Jeremy and Ameet were able to assist with a couple of "how do I" technical questions. Overall, I thought the format was decent. It doesn't replace the experience of a physical expo which is more than just the expo itself, but it does allow an opportunity for an audience to take part who wouldn't be able to make the trip to Toronto.
 

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