The Return of Parallel Hell... Thanks Panini!

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I just saw a "preliminary" checklist of 2010-2011 Certified... after picking myself up off the floor, I puked. "The Return of Parallel Hell"!

Parallel Hell

... I got nuthin' else to say...
 
It's going to be like that for the goalie collectors. I don't know about Fleury, but by my count there's roughly 50 Carey Price cards in the set. That's just too much. Not even Artifacts and SPGU can combine to get that many.
 
Al mentioned that the checklist itself is very old, yes.

I don't know if he gave any indication that he was cutting back on the number of parallels, though.

Panini is in a position of being able to do a lot of good for the hobby, and in terms of concept and design, I like a lot of what I'm seeing. That doesn't mean that angering and alienating the entire player-collecting segment of the hobby with your first release is a good idea. Just because you do it in all the other sports doesn't mean you have to taint hockey with it.
 
Exactly. Names changed but nothing was said about all the parallels. I guess we'll only know for sure when the final list gets posted.
 
Now maybe I'm not "really" a player collector or something, but once I have one version of a card I don't NEED another one. If I come across it I might pick it up, but I basically consider it complete with 1 copy of every single player card of the guy. IE I don't NEED dual/triple...octo cards with him on it either. I've never really understood anger at the manufacturer for making cards of the guy you collect? If it does get to that point, maybe it's time to rethink your collecting strategy?

Yeah, maybe this is hypocritical since any adult into little bits of cardboard w/ possibly a little ink or fabric is nuts anyway...
 
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I understand there are player or team collectors out there who want to have a copy of every card, but I never understood the reasoning for getting upset because there are too many different versions of a card. A lot of people love that they have a bunch more cards to chase down of their favorite player, and as we all know, the chase is 99% of the fun. I thought player collectors would be thrilled with Panini and their love of mega parallels, especially with the old Pacific sets coming back like Crown Royale. The parallels from Donruss/Certified/Panini go for dirt anymore except for maybe the /1 or /5 versions, so what am I missing that has collectors upset?
 
A lot of people love that they have a bunch more cards to chase down of their favorite player, and as we all know, the chase is 99% of the fun. I thought player collectors would be thrilled with Panini and their love of mega parallels, especially with the old Pacific sets coming back like Crown Royale.

Personally, I don't know of any of these people that love having sixteen different versions of the same card to chase down.

Serious player collectors are bound by the standard principles of doing such a collection -- namely, completion. We chart out statistics, wantlists and havelists, and yes, we enjoy the chase. But player collectors want what they're chasing to have a degree of uniqueness, specialness, or personal value. Some parallel sets do this -- and no one is going to complain about a set that only has 1 or 2 parallels anyway. Sadly, the majority of parallel sets are very simple color changes that offer little of interest. Virtually every player collector I've ever met is still mad at Pacific for all the foil color variations with extraordinarily low print runs. Virtually everybody thinks Artifacts has been a monumental parallel overkill -- to the point that the parallel versions of various cards are both difficult to distinguish and offering almost nothing in the way of additional value.

If there's sixteen different versions of the same card, the majority of player collectors are going to add all sixteen versions to their wantlists -- that's just the way player collecting is done. It's a statement to the style of collecting hobby, and not an endorsement of a manufacturer's decision.
 
I would love it as a player collector. Only because I collect Hudler and all I can really get is base. If I collect a guy who had lots of cards in the hobby, I would probably hate it. But with a low hobby guy like Hudler, I will take whatever I get.
 
I did a prelium look up and this is what I found for Anderson:

Craig Anderson
Mirror Red (# to 250)
Mirror Blue (# to 100)
Mirror Gold (# to 25)
Mirror Emerald (# to 5)
Mirror Black (# to 1)
Platinum Red (# to 999)
Platinum Blue (# to 250)
Platinum Gold (# to 25)
Platinum Emerald (# to 5)
Platinum Black (# to 1)
Mirror Gold Signatures (Max # to 25 or less)
Mirror Emerald Signatures (Max # to 5 or less)
Mirror Black Signatures (# to 1)
Mirror Red Materials Jerseys (Max # to 250 or less)
Mirror Red Dual Materials (Max # to 250 or less)
Mirror Blue Materials Jerseys (Max # to 100 or less)
Mirror Gold Materials Prime (Max # to 25 or less)
Mirror Emerald Materials Prime (Max # to 5 or less)
Mirror Black Materials Prime (# to 1)
Mirror Ice Materials Prime (# to 1)
Fabric of the Game NHL Die Cut (Max # to 25 or less)
Fabric of the Game NHL Die Cut Prime (MAX # to 10 or less)
Fabric of the Game TEAM Die Cut (Max # to 25 or less)
Fabric of the Game TEAM Die Cut Prime (MAX # to 10 or less)
Junior Legacy Combos Signatures (MAX # to 5 or less)
Junior Legacy Combos Prime (MAX # to 25 or less)
Junior Legacy Combos Prime Signatures (MAX # to 5 or less)
Masked Marvels Mirror Red (# to 250)
Masked Marvels Mirror Blue (# to 100)
Masked Marvels Mirror Gold (# to 25)
Masked Marvels Mirror Emerald (# to 5)
Masked Marvels Mirror Black (# to 1)
Masked Marvels Materials (MAX # to 99 or less)
Masked Marvels Materials Prime (MAX # to 10 or less)
Masked Marvels Materials Signatures (MAX # to 25 or less)
Masked Marvels Materials Prime Signatures (MAX # to 1 or less)

37 cards for this release - 34 cards all of 2009-10. I am actually looking forward to this becuase it will be a fun chase. This is not worst than anything Artifacts has done in the past.
 
As a player collector, there are limits to what can be considered reasonable for each release. It's one thing if Product X has 5 base parallels and another 4-6 jersey parallels, but we're talking about one release having up to 50 cards for a particular player. It's excessive to say the least

I collect Carey Price, who is not a cheap pickup - I've long since resigned myself from any remote possibility of getting a majority of his cards but it's a little painful to see all of these parallels out there.

On the flipside, since I also collect Josh Gorges, who is still a pretty cheap pickup, the opportunity to finally get more than 3 cards per season of him is one that makes me smile greatly. I can finally start shoving some of those Sharks-era cards back into the big box and put some nice low-numbered Habs stuff in the case!
 
As long as every Panini release doesn't look like this, I think this will be a fun set. This is also coming from someone NOT collecting anyone from this set :)

Josh
 
Should be fun. I'd rather chase stuff like this than spend thousands on a shield. I don't think I have any of my PCs in the set, but I'll have a couple RCs for sure. Yip and Mercier. At least it isn't 10 RCs like 09-10, then it'd get old. :D
 
Panini products are always loaded with parallels - but Certified is the one that has always had by far the most. You were all forewarned previously in the original thread for Certified
 
I like having cards to chase but prefer when there is a good reason for them. Insert sets, autographed or memorabilia versions, etc. Parallels where the only difference is a slightly change of color, different foil lettering or border or simply adding a serial number to me is a giant cop out for manufacturers perceiving to add "product value". Use different photography for each parallel and you will own my appreciation on them. Taking the easy way out in creativity will never earn praise.
 
Personally, I don't know of any of these people that love having sixteen different versions of the same card to chase down.

Serious player collectors are bound by the standard principles of doing such a collection -- namely, completion. We chart out statistics, wantlists and havelists, and yes, we enjoy the chase. But player collectors want what they're chasing to have a degree of uniqueness, specialness, or personal value. Some parallel sets do this -- and no one is going to complain about a set that only has 1 or 2 parallels anyway. Sadly, the majority of parallel sets are very simple color changes that offer little of interest. Virtually every player collector I've ever met is still mad at Pacific for all the foil color variations with extraordinarily low print runs. Virtually everybody thinks Artifacts has been a monumental parallel overkill -- to the point that the parallel versions of various cards are both difficult to distinguish and offering almost nothing in the way of additional value.

If there's sixteen different versions of the same card, the majority of player collectors are going to add all sixteen versions to their wantlists -- that's just the way player collecting is done. It's a statement to the style of collecting hobby, and not an endorsement of a manufacturer's decision.

I can't say it any better than this, so I'll borrow Andy's post. When Pacific (Dynagon, Omega, Paramount, etc) first came out it was frustrating to search and pay for all of the variants. But now, 12 years later ('97/98 was my favorite year) these same cards are giving me a great deal of pleasure as I pick them up for .99 a piece, and fill in all those spaces. :laugh: I think a turning point for me was at the last Bossa show, when I was shown an Artifacts 1/1 for $400. I was buying several cards from this dealer, so I had a choice to make. Buy some great Iginla cards #/3,#5 etc. or buy an exact copy of 5 (#/5,#25,#50,#75,#999) other cards that I already owned. The 1/1 would have completed the set, but I left it in the dealer's showcase. I do think that player collectors may need to retool with the addition of Panini into the mix. I will certainly continue to collect Iginla cards, but I may be leaving more behind than I'm pulling in next year.
 

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