UFC 104: Shogun vs. the Dragon

After the first time I watched the fight, I believed Rua would win a split decision due to how close the fight was. I had Machida taking Rounds 2 and 3 clearly, Rua clearly the 4th and barely taking the fifth. It was close and a rematch will determine it, which is fair.

However, the one thing I can't stand is how people are saying Rua clearly won the fight. No he didn't. Could he have got the decision? Yes. Would I have argued? Not really. Machida Won, am I going to argue? No. To me it was the right call, albeit close call.

I watched the fight twice to try and analyze why it was scored the way it was and it made sense. Rua landed two (count 'em, TWO) shots to Machida's head and one to his neck. Beyond that he landed lots of kicks and nothing else. Machida landed 5 or 6 clean blows to Rua's head and several to the body (I still don't know why he didn't go for Shogun's legs more though??). To me the determining aspect of the fight was that Machida stuffed 6 of 6 takedown attempts and he did very well control the fight. He did not mind the kicks until the last round. Then you could tell he did not want to eat them anymore and tried a different strategy.

Also, to those of you complaining that all Machida did was run away. Are you high or have you never watched a Machida fight before? That has always been his strategy. He is a counter striker, he'll dance away from the opponent until the opponent gets frustrated and pushes too hard and makes mistakes. Then boom, fights over. Shogun handled this very wisely by not pushing too hard and you could tell Machida was thrown off by it.

All in all it was very close, I would not have argued if either hand was raised BUT that being said. If I was a judge and I had to score the fight. To me it would have been 48-47 Machida. More clean strikes, more diversity, more octagon control and better Grappling. Shogun definitely had more strikes and more octagon agression but that simply was not enough.
 
Also, to those of you complaining that all Machida did was run away. Are you high or have you never watched a Machida fight before? That has always been his strategy. He is a counter striker,

The key point being counter striker, however when you take that word out of your sentence, which Shogun did, then Machida has nothing. Check fightmetric Shogun landed more head shots than Machida.

If his strategy was to back peddle and be picked apart for 5 rounds, mission accomplished. Save for three criminals judging the fight, Shogun controlled and won that fight. When the president of the UFC even agrees its pretty hard to argue. I think you will find very little pro Machida support on this issue.
 
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I hate watching Machida. He doesnt try to win any fight he just trys not to lose. Hes as bad as Tim Sylvia in my books

Then why is he undefeated? He looks for the right moment. Sometimes he's patient to a fault (like with Shogun) but his strategy clearly works or else he would not be undefeated.

Machida was one of the most popular fighters in the UFC and now he is one of the most hated because of the judges. Hype and mass opinion are all that matters it seems. :|

For the record, I'm well aware I'm in the minority that thought the decision was correct. Although my bet is going towards Shogun in the rematch unless Machida severely changes his strategy as Shogun has found a way around it.
 
Then why is he undefeated? He looks for the right moment. Sometimes he's patient to a fault (like with Shogun) but his strategy clearly works or else he would not be undefeated.

Machida was one of the most popular fighters in the UFC and now he is one of the most hated because of the judges. Hype and mass opinion are all that matters it seems. :|

For the record, I'm well aware I'm in the minority that thought the decision was correct. Although my bet is going towards Shogun in the rematch unless Machida severely changes his strategy as Shogun has found a way around it.

For the record i was not a fan of his style before the fight. I cant stand fighters that arent aggresive i feel that while his strategy can be effective it is boring as all hell to watch. I wanna see 2 guys fight not one fight and one run and throw a single (but effective) punch once in awhile
 
I was never a Machida fan either, and in fact I was pretty much saying the whole time Shogun is the most underrated fighter in the UFC (until now). If anything Machida is the most overrated, never fighting a name fighter, save for Rashad (who is arguably super overrated himself, never fighting any top level name fighter), and Tito, for as much as he has sucked lately almost finished Machida.

I couldn't believe the tra I was hearing. MAchida will destroy Shogun in the first round, Shogun has no chance.

I knew that is Shogun was finally healthy for the first time in 2 years that he would win, if not dominate, Machida. Which he all but did, save for the criminal judging.
 
I was never a Machida fan either, and in fact I was pretty much saying the whole time Shogun is the most underrated fighter in the UFC (until now). If anything Machida is the most overrated, never fighting a name fighter, save for Rashad (who is arguably super overrated himself, never fighting any top level name fighter), and Tito, for as much as he has sucked lately almost finished Machida.

I couldn't believe the tra I was hearing. MAchida will destroy Shogun in the first round, Shogun has no chance.

I knew that is Shogun was finally healthy for the first time in 2 years that he would win, if not dominate, Machida. Which he all but did, save for the criminal judging.

I agree with you for the most part, too many people looked passed Shogun. I think even Machida did. I don't think he is the best 205 pounder but he is definitely up there.
 
I don't think he is the best 205 pounder but he is definitely up there.

Assuming he was robbed, which is up to opinion, as I know you don't necessarily believe he was. Then I have to assume in the ranking he is currently #1.

Although I can agree that I think Moussasi, Rampage, and possibly Andersen Silva all rank higher.
 
Randomly found this thread,...

So my girlfriend who hates the UFC and knows nothing about fighting,... thought it was an overwhelming victory for Shogun. I WAS cheering for Machida and I thought he lost; however, I told her that there's a chance that the fight will go to Machida. Then she started to care,... she felt Shogun was robbed. And so did I.

It was not close.

Good info on this thread from the quotes! I can't support a guy who knows he lost (look at his reaction after the fifth round,... barely raising his hands and his face showed you what he really thought), then goes on and puts those quotes for the press. Too bad.
 
For the record i was not a fan of his style before the fight. I cant stand fighters that arent aggresive i feel that while his strategy can be effective it is boring as all hell to watch. I wanna see 2 guys fight not one fight and one run and throw a single (but effective) punch once in awhile

Then the best advice is to go watch some Kimbo Slice youtube videos. The point of MMA is to win the most effective way you can while taking the least amount of damage.

Ask Chris Leben where aggressive has gotten him so far. Guys like him, Houston Alezander, Alessio Sakara, Keith Jardine to name a few, what has aggressiveness really gotten them? A couple highlight KO's? Wow! Not that I don't enjoy those fights but come on, there are gonna be card fillers the rest of there careers.

Are you a fan of Anderson Silva? When was the last time he was truly in any danger in a fight or got hit really good. But guess what, people pay to see him fight and yep, they are usually one sided fights.
 
Then the best advice is to go watch some Kimbo Slice youtube videos. The point of MMA is to win the most effective way you can while taking the least amount of damage.

Ask Chris Leben where aggressive has gotten him so far. Guys like him, Houston Alezander, Alessio Sakara, Keith Jardine to name a few, what has aggressiveness really gotten them? A couple highlight KO's? Wow! Not that I don't enjoy those fights but come on, there are gonna be card fillers the rest of there careers.

Are you a fan of Anderson Silva? When was the last time he was truly in any danger in a fight or got hit really good. But guess what, people pay to see him fight and yep, they are usually one sided fights.

Anderson Silva is different though in that he trys to get close to his opponent (thai clinch) he doesnt run away like machida. You are right about those fighters but guess what they always have exciting fights and are welcomed back to the ufc win or lose because they are more entertaining. I just hate fighters that dont want to lose Anderson Silva is not one of them. Defense is definitely part of mma and should be but it shouldnt drown out the offense.

Also what about GSP, Hughes, Guida etc. etc that are aggresive and win alot more often than not?
 

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