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I knew there were some weirdos down east, but Windsor Ontario may take the cake.


Windsor Swastikas


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/Danvig/47031.jpg

Just kidding, this is a picture of their team from the 1920's, before the Nazi destroyed what the emblem really stood for.
Swastikas have also been used in other various ancient civilizations around the world. It remains widely used in Indian religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, primarily as a tantric symbol to evoke 'shakti' or the sacred symbol of good luck. The swastika is also a Chinese character used in East Asia representing eternity and Buddhism.
 
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Interestingly there was a female hockey team in BC called the Fernie Swastikas in the early 20s. It's a shame a symbol for peace, good luck and fortune is so widely hated now (for obvious reasons). Regardless, a piece of Canadian history for sure.
 
Interesting, Bruce.

As a heads up: We're watching this thread closely. We feel that there's no deliberate intent to offend here and that this is raised solely for interest - but that some are disquieted by the symbols regardless of intent. We're going to let those people guide us - if they feel the picture should come down, it will.

Thanks for your understanding.

Edit: I pulled this thread down yesterday in accordance with the above principle. Bruce has seen fit to reopen it. I disagree entirely with his decision.
 
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I have re-opened this thread. This is an interesting cultural/historical issue and despite the VERY negative connotations that come along with complete misuse of the symbol in the 1940s, we have decided to let this stand at this time. This photo, and other photos like it, show the original intent of the symbol being good luck & peace.

The first person to take this thread off the rails gets a lifetime ban.
 
u know, honestly, i didnt even know there was another meaning for that symbol.

guess you really do learn something new everyday
 
I for one am truly offended that this thread has been re-opened. Whether or not before the 1930's (Bruce you are absolutely wrong in stating the 1940's) it had / still has for some another meaning - the meaning today is NEGATIVE.

If society today had a different view to the meaning of the symbol (as before the rise of Hitler and the Nazi party) then it would be seen much more widely used. But - within society today - it is viewed as EXTREMELY NEGATIVE and OFFENSIVE.

I would ask that this thread be removed and never again reopened.

Steven
 
u know, honestly, i didnt even know there was another meaning for that symbol.

guess you really do learn something new everyday

I was in this boat, too. Though, honestly, it's hard to think of it any other way now.

Still, interesting no less.
 
I don't have any issue with the content of the thread, but could we at least change the title. It's not appropriate to take such a jocular attitude toward a sensitive issue.
 
I for one am truly offended that this thread has been re-opened. Whether or not before the 1930's (Bruce you are absolutely wrong in stating the 1940's) it had / still has for some another meaning - the meaning today is NEGATIVE.

If society today had a different view to the meaning of the symbol (as before the rise of Hitler and the Nazi party) then it would be seen much more widely used. But - within society today - it is viewed as EXTREMELY NEGATIVE and OFFENSIVE.

I would ask that this thread be removed and never again reopened.

Steven

Steven,

My wife has the "symbol" on her key chain, and you wanting the symbol banished is disrespecting her background and what the symbol has meant to her belief system for longer than the symbol was "taken over" by the Nazi party.

MANY BILLIONS of people *DO* have a different view of the symbol and don't think of it first as a Nazi symbol.

Kevin
 
Steven,

My wife has the "symbol" on her key chain, and you wanting the symbol banished is disrespecting her background and what the symbol has meant to her belief system for longer than the symbol was "taken over" by the Nazi party.

MANY BILLIONS of people *DO* have a different view of the symbol and don't think of it first as a Nazi symbol.

Kevin

And that is the reason why this thread was re-opened. The image, the team names and the history behind the symbol are the point of the OP's post and I have no problem keeping the thread open to educate some who never knew the original symbol's meaning or intent.

Steven, I don't take your viewpoint lightly. If there had been ANY hinting or comments regarding the Nazis or their use of the symbol, there would be no doubt this thread would have been gone. I won't stand for that at all. I had relatives that perished at the hands of the Nazi regime myself.

As I said to you in Toronto, regarding the hotel building I was contemplating purchasing here in BC, the original symbol's intent must be known for Kevin's reason above and the millions or billions of others worldwide who use the symbol for its original intent and meaning.
 
I am glad that this thread was open. I would have missed it because it was taken down before I got the chance to read it. It is very interesting and I am glad I learned something here. There is no need to take entire posts off the board... Just monitor it and delete any that could cause a problem.

This was very cool to see! Thanks for the history lesson :)
 
Found this article written by a Hindu person.

Nazi Swastika or
Ancient Symbol?

Time to Learn
the Difference

By Chirag Badlani

During a religious holiday of mine, my mother and I went to the store, Staples, to make color copies of a few Gods to give to our temple. On one of the pictures, there was a very religious Hindu symbol, resembling a Nazi swastika, yet the arms faced the opposite direction.

When we went on line to pay for the copies, the people behind us, not noticing the differentiation between the two signs, starting talking to each other, saying that my mother and I were Nazis. Quite appalled, my mother turned around and calmly explained to them that it was not a Nazi symbol, that the symbol first belonged to many different cultures before the Nazis adopted it. She explained the religious meaning and the people behind us said they were sorry and stated, "Oh, I never knew that."

I have realized that many people, not only in this country, but in the entire world, do not know about the meaning of the swastika and that it was not only the symbol of Nazi Germany.

The swastika is an equilateral cross with arms bent at right angles, all in the same direction, usually the right, or clockwise. The swastika is a symbol of prosperity and good fortune and is widely dispersed in both the ancient and modern world. It originally represented the revolving sun, fire, or life. The word swastika is derived from the Sanskrit swastika which means, "conducive to well- being". The swastika was widely utilized in ancient Mesopotamian coinage as well as appearing in early Christian and Byzantium art, where it was known as the gammadion cross. The swastika also appeared in South and Central America, widely used in Mayan art during that time period.

In North America, the swastika was a symbol used by the Navajos. The swastika still continues today to be an extensively used sign in Buddhism, Jainism, and Hinduism. In Buddhism, a swastika represents resignation. In Jainism, it delineates their seventh saint, and the four arms are also used to remind the worshiper of the four possible places of rebirth; the animal or plant world, in Hell, on Earth, or in the spirit world. To Hindus, the swastika with the arms bent to the left is called the sathio or sauvastika, which symbolizes night, magic, purity, and the destructive goddess Kali. In both Hinduism and Jainism, the swastika or sathio is used to mark the opening pages or their account books, thresholds, doors, and offerings.

The swastika was a symbol for the Aryan people, a name which, in Sanskrit means "noble". The Aryans were a group of people who settled in Iran and Northern India. They believed themselves to be a pure race, superior to the other surrounding cultures. When the Germans looked for a symbol, they looked for a symbol which represented the purity which they believed they contained. The Nazis regarded themselves as "Aryans" and tried to steal the accomplishments of these pre-historic people.

In Nazi Germany, the swastika with its arms turned clockwise became the national symbol. In 1910, a poet and nationalist Guido von List suggested that the swastika as a symbol for all anti-Semitic organizations. When the National Socialist Party was formed in 1919, it adopted the ancient symbol, the swastika, giving it the worst meaning possible, destroying the good symbolism which the swastika had held for thousands of years prior.

In 1935, the black swastika on a white circle with a crimson background became the national symbol of Germany. The major difference between the Nazi swastika and the ancient symbol of many different cultures, is that the Nazi swastika is at a slant, while the ancient swastika is rested flat.

Today, whenever the ancient symbol is used, it is automatically assumed by most people that it is a Nazi symbol and that the people who use it are Nazis. When the Nazis took the ancient symbol, they erased the good meaning of the swastika, the symbol of purity and of life. The racist people of today further degrade the meaning of the ancient symbol by spray painting the swastika on people houses, cars, and even schools.

In my eighth grade World of Difference class, we watched a video about a high school art student who painted the swastika and displayed it in his school's art gallery. We then had a debate on whether the painting should come down or not. Because most people are ignorant to the fact that the swastika was not only a Nazi symbol, symbolizing death and destruction, the class decided to take the painting down and in actuality, the boy was forced to take it down. This is a prime example of how the world delineates the swastika as a bad symbol, and how the Nazis destroyed the meaning of the symbol by adopting it as their own.

The swastika symbolizes so much more than what the Nazis planned. The swastika existed as a symbol of good fortune thousands of years before the Nazis even existed. The symbol is to many cultures an important one, representing their history and beliefs. The Nazis, by taking the swastika, annihilated the significance of the ancient symbol. Today, the swastika is to most people a symbol of evil, a symbol of demise, and a symbol of ruination. It is extremely depressing to find that although the swastika is a symbol of life, and symbol of joy, it has been made a symbol of evil, something the people of the ancient world never intended it to be.

When I see the symbol, it instantly reminds me of the stories my grandmother told me about my relatives beings corralled into gas chambers and put to death. Who knows how many more cousins and aunts and uncles I would have had it it weren't for the people that stood behind that symbol in the first half of the 20th century.

I completely agree that there are appropriate places to display this photo but it is not something I want to look at while I am hobbying. For that reason, I respectfully ask that HI members allow this thread to quickly fall off the first page by not posting in this thread anymore.

As the Views count goes up, we will all know that the HI members who were unfamiliar with the symbol's ancient historical meanings are all caught up now.
 
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I've closed this thread as I feel Jeremy's post concludes the history lesson on the subject.
 
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