Emery to the Flyers?
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Ashtaway
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Though Emery would be average it would only be for 2-3 mil, Biron would be average for 5. And I still think Emery is above average.
fly4apuckguy
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Above average goalies usually don't go to the KHL to play when no one else wants them.
I'd rank Emery in the bottom 25% of NHL calibre goalies. Plus, he loses points for the inevitable problems he will cause in the dressing room. I'd leave him in Siberia.
gosens151911
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IMO I think it would be a great signing. Living in Ottawa, Emery's antics were highly blown up by the media! His injury also hurt him in the season, as he wasn't able to start the 2007-08 season as #1 losing it to Gerber which definitely would not make any goalie who had just played in the Finals happy. He is definitely not in the bottom 25% of NHL calibre goalies... He is young and definitely has the skill to become an elite goalie. The only question is has he actually changed his attitude to work hard and earn the number one goalie spot.
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Ashtaway
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Emerys skill level was never really in question here, it was his work ethic and temperment. If he has gotten the work ethic up in Russia and his temperament improves he should be fine in Philly and work out quite well.
fly4apuckguy
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Okay, that's probably true...but didn't he get in trouble in Russia for punching a trainer or something? The point is, the guy is bad news.
gosens151911
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Actually it was mostly the trainer's fault, tried forcing Emery to wear some ball cap after he had just gotten yanked from nets after a bad game.
fly4apuckguy
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I saw it, and I would agree the trainer made the mistake, but Emery over reacted.
No matter where he goes, skilled or not skilled, he is going to be in trouble until he gets his head right. And maybe, just maybe, that is impossible for him to do. Maybe it's not a case of "anger management". Maybe it's a case of "being a jerk".
frankiefives
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He was a very good goaltender at one point. However, when the Flyers acquired him, he was at the tail end of his career and was average at best. The point is, the Flyers haven't tried to pick up a franchise goalie since Hextall left. They keep signing/trading for average goalies or good netminders in the twilight of their careers
Really? Explain to me how these goaltenders were more than average at the time when Philly picked them up
hextall27
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Yea I see your point...
I cannot deny that goalkeeping has been the issue in Philly for a long time, even Hextall couldn't really step up after his Vezina winning rookie year...
pathshot
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Well, first, Burke had multiple stints with the Flyers. With the second, he was explicitly a backup - so, strike 1.
Robert Esche had promise, but didn't emerge as a starter until he reached Philly. He split time with Niittymaki, Cechmanek, and Burke. In 2003-04, the Flyers went 7 games against the eventual Cup champion Lightning. He wasn't brought in to be a starter, but he won the starting job. He made Cechmanek expendable.
Martin Biron was the only one out of your list who was brought in to win a starting job. He played behind some atrocious Buffalo teams, and he was hardly the issue. He kept the heir apparent, Ryan Miller, at bay for 3 years before he ultimately was brought in to start in 2005-06. He managed a 13 game winning streak in 2003-04, and was only moved to Philly because he deserved to be a started somewhere. Immediately, Philadelphia played better in front of him and he posted the best numbers of any goalie that year.
Philadelphia's habit is not that of bringing in "average" goalies, it's been a matter of plugging holes in a series of systems that weren't built around defense. They've done phenomenally well in drafting forwards in the last few years, and have had some success on defense - but they haven't drafted a franchise goaltender in a long time. So naturally, it means bringing in goalies from the outside.
-m.
Stadium Sports
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I think Emery would be an excellent pick-up.
frankiefives
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You made my point for me. You just word it differently than I do. Your take is they "plug holes". Mine is they sign average goalies instead of either drafting a franchise 'tender or spending to bring one in as a FA
Anyway, we're kinda going off topic. Emery is no franchise goalie. Therefore, I guess Philly is once again plugging a hole. They'll be disappointed
hextall27
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He is 26 years old, he played one full season in the NHL when he backstopped a team to the Finals. After they benched him, they were elimated in 4 straight and then failed to appear in the following years.
After an injury and some personal/professional problems, that were blown out of proportion in O-town, I find it hard to write him off just yet. And Holmgren is gonna get him at a bargain.
I love this signing and am rooting for the underdog the whole way.
pathshot
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You might want to wait for this to actually happen.
If Philly is looking to make a signing like this, Phoenix and LA are going to be looking at him as well, driving up the asking price, and moving him out of cost consideration.
Something tells me Martin Biron and Ray Emery wouldn't fit on the same bench, either. This could just be posturing to get Biron to sign for under $4M/year.
-m.
pathshot
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If your point is that they're going about solving their goaltending issues the wrong way, well, there's quite a few better ways they could have gone about it over the last 10+ years from Brian Boucher onward. I'm just not going to agree that they bring in average goalies to to do.
They've drafted around 15 goaltenders since 1999. The only ones to crack their lineup have been Martin Houle (1 game), Roman Cechmanek (roughly 160 games as a Flyer, chronic playoff no-show), and Maxime Ouellet (2 games as a Flyer). They've gotten roughly 2 years of mileage from 10 years of drafting goaltenders.
I can't speak to their current goaltending prospects, but I'd say drafting is a huge issue.
-m.
Stadium Sports
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Picking diamonds in the rough is not an exact art - it's has a great deal of plain old luck involved.
pathshot
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Oh. Really. Had no idea.
Thanks for putting millions of armchair GMs in their place.
-m.
Stadium Sports
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Glad I could help.
DXFlyers
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CSNPhilly.com
DETROIT -- The Flyers are "very likely" to announce they have a one-year contract agreement with goalie Ray Emery, worth about $1.5 million, this week, according to a club executive.
Meanwhile, NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly told CSNPhilly.com in an e-mail Saturday that the team can announce they have a deal with Emery, but they can't physically sign him until July 1.
I dont care what you say about him being a headcase. 1.5 million for a starting goalie is a BARGAIN! If the number is true. Everyone forgets who is in the Flyers organization that knows Emery very well...former Sens coach John Paddock. Im pretty sure the Flyers have done there homework on Emery. This has low risk and high return across the board.
CSNPhilly.com
DETROIT -- The Flyers are "very likely" to announce they have a one-year contract agreement with goalie Ray Emery, worth about $1.5 million, this week, according to a club executive.
Meanwhile, NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly told CSNPhilly.com in an e-mail Saturday that the team can announce they have a deal with Emery, but they can't physically sign him until July 1.
I dont care what you say about him being a headcase. 1.5 million for a starting goalie is a BARGAIN! If the number is true. Everyone forgets who is in the Flyers organization that knows Emery very well...former Sens coach John Paddock. Im pretty sure the Flyers have done there homework on Emery. This has low risk and high return across the board.
