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The more I think about it the closer I come to the conclusion that Brian Burke is not a very good GM, especially in this new cap era.

If I recall correctly he ended up losing Bryzgalov for nothing. Then (despite what you think of the signing by Lowe) he got sniped by an offer sheet. He had plenty of time to get Penner under contract for a lot less than the Edmonton offer. Then there was the Bertuzzi experiment which resulted in a buyout. And now we have him trying to give Schneider away for nothing so he can sign Selanne.

Granted Niedermayer didn't do him any favours by taking his sweet time and tying Anaheim's hands but Burke just seems a little overrated. I think he belongs in Toronto.
 
Him buying out Bertuzzi was the most obvious statement by a gm saying "I screwed up" that I've seen in awhile.

We'll see how he does in Toronto. He won't want to stick around Anaheim and be involved with owners who might be doing time :)
 
I dissagree that Burke is a Bad GM. No matter what ,he has a ring....He was sucessful in his position where few were! Proof is in the pudding

I totally agree...Burke belongs in Toronto. He will be welcomed by open arms
 
Actually, the Bryzgalov situation was a great one. He showed a bit of compassion.

He promised him that if he couldn't trade him to a place where he can be a starter, that he'd put him out on waivers, and then made good on it. Bryzgalov was gonzo as quick as it gets.

The Bertuzzi situation was a mistake, but he's proven he's willing to take risks. That was only a mistake in hindsight. It's not as though he traded Luongo for him :)

-m
 
If Selanne and Niedermayer didn't leave Burkie hanging and made up their minds sooner, there wouldn't be this problem at all. He did what he had to do last season because of those two players inability to make up their minds on their careers. He had to try and move forward knowing (and hoping) that these two would come back. How he dumped salary was actually quite smart. He knows his way in and out of the CBA better than than another other GM in the NHL If Bert had stayed healthy and didn't have that lingering concussion, that may have been the best signing of a player in years. With what we know now, it is easy to see that it obviously wasn't.
 
Burke's greatest strength is that he's surrounded himself with extremely knowledgable hockey minds. He is one of the best GM's in the league based on that alone. He has to dump Schneider because Anaheim is over the cap, and Selanne is still up in the air....Schneider was a spare part and was originally only brought in to cover off Neidermayer anyway....Bryzgalov was waived as part of a promise (as mentioned above).
 
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bto3105 said:
I dissagree that Burke is a Bad GM. No matter what ,he has a ring....He was sucessful in his position where few were! Proof is in the pudding

I totally agree...Burke belongs in Toronto. He will be welcomed by open arms
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He inherited the team that won the Cup.
 
digitalmonkey said:
He inherited the team that won the Cup.
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I agree 100% whole-heartedly!!!
He totally 100% just took over the reigns of the team that was left behind him....The only thing he fluked off was the Pronger deal where they were the only offer K-Lowe had (he also should of let Pronger sit and wait till the season started....but that's another story!!)
He could of signed Penner all year long for alot less as he could let that line play together as they were all playing great together but decided to take his sweet time and now he's on another team.


He's capped out totally and is stuck giving away Bryzgalov and now Schneider and buying out Bertuzzi's contract!!

He also left Vancouver in the biggest mess in NHL history....people tend to forget that!!!
 
koondog44 said:
If Selanne and Niedermayer didn't leave Burkie hanging and made up their minds sooner, there wouldn't be this problem at all. He did what he had to do last season because of those two players inability to make up their minds on their careers. He had to try and move forward knowing (and hoping) that these two would come back. How he dumped salary was actually quite smart. He knows his way in and out of the CBA better than than another other GM in the NHL If Bert had stayed healthy and didn't have that lingering concussion, that may have been the best signing of a player in years. With what we know now, it is easy to see that it obviously wasn't.
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If..if..if..

Selanne didn't leave anyone hanging. He was an unrestricted free agent just like he is now. Part of being a good GM is being able to project cap issues a few years in advance. Burke is not very good at that and he obviously hasn't surrounded himself with anyone who is.
 
TanguayFan said:
Burke's greatest strength is that he's surrounded himself with extremely knowledgable hockey minds. He is one of the best GM's in the league based on that alone. He has to dump Schneider because Anaheim is over the cap, and Selanne is still up in the air....Schneider was a spare part and was originally only brought in to cover off Neidermayer anyway....Bryzgalov was waived as part of a promise (as mentioned above).
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Oh, that makes it better. He brought in a $5.6 million d-man to temporarily replace a d-man who was returning.
 
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If people don't like Burke that's there opinion. He is a love or hate guy and we all make mistakes at some point. Nobody is perfect but somehow he got that on his finger.He is a winner and a proven winner is what Toronto needs

See ya next year Burke!!!
 
digitalmonkey said:
Oh, that makes it better. He brought in a $4-$5 million d-man to temporarily replace a d-man who was returning.
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...and they new Neidermayer was coming back?? Hoping he would come back and knowing 100% are two entirely different things. If he sat back and didn't sign anyone, people would be up in arms that he did nothing.

As far as "predicting the cap"...when guys like Kevin Lowe start signing Penner to lucrative contracts for an unproven player...there isn't a GM in the league that can "prepare" for that. All it did was open the flood gates for stupid cash to be thrown around again for guys who had one good year in a contract year.

Anyways, it hardly matters at all. Anaheim will continue to have a good team, even with the players they "give away". One of the first things I learned in business is "your first loss is always your best loss". Burke is smart enough to cut his losses before they get way out of hand.

Signing Getzlaf and Perry to a 5 year $25 million contracts each (approx) doesn't sound to bad either. I'd say they are quite good signings...especially what they could have been be worth in 2-3 years.

I'm sure you will see that any "Cup contending" teams will all run into the salary cap issue sooner or later. Wait until the league announce the cap being lowered...then watch teams scramble.
 
digitalmonkey said:
Oh, that makes it better. He brought in a $5.6 million d-man to temporarily replace a d-man who was returning.
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No. He brought in a 5.6 million d-man to replace a d-man who was taking his sweet time deciding whether or not he wanted to continue playing hockey. Schneider is (or more to the point, WAS) no 4 on Anaheims depth chart. You don't pay your 4th defender 5.6 million. Neidermayer and Pronger are the priorities. If I were a GM, I'd rather free up Schneider's salary in the hopes I could entice Selanne back, same as Burke is doing.
 
koondog44 said:
...and they new Neidermayer was coming back?? Hoping he would come back and knowing 100% are two entirely different things. If he sat back and didn't sign anyone, people would be up in arms that he did nothing.

As far as "predicting the cap"...when guys like Kevin Lowe start signing Penner to lucrative contracts for an unproven player...there isn't a GM in the league that can "prepare" for that. All it did was open the flood gates for stupid cash to be thrown around again for guys who had one good year in a contract year.

Anyways, it hardly matters at all. Anaheim will continue to have a good team, even with the players they "give away". One of the first things I learned in business is "your first loss is always your best loss". Burke is smart enough to cut his losses before they get way out of hand.

Signing Getzlaf and Perry to a 5 year $25 million contracts each (approx) doesn't sound to bad either. I'd say they are quite good signings...especially what they could have been be worth in 2-3 years.

I'm sure you will see that any "Cup contending" teams will all run into the salary cap issue sooner or later. Wait until the league announce the cap being lowered...then watch teams scramble.
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Ok, he didn't know for sure that Niedermayer was coming back, but why sign Schneider to a 2-year deal for $11.25 million? Wouldn't it make sense to leave the door ajar just in case Niedermayer did come back? And as for Penner, like I said, if he hadn't waited so long to sign him then he wouldn't have been sniped.

And lets not forget the cap has gone up the last couple of years and he still can't seem to fit his team under it.

Maggie the monkey could have signed Getzlaf and Perry to $25 million contracts.
 
To say he inherited a team that won the cup is completely ridiculous... and frankly, you should be embarassed to call yourself a hockey fan if you think that.

Not one single defenceman he inherited was on the cup team. Yes, every single d-man HE brought in.

Pronger (Burke), Niedermayer (Burke), Beauchemin (Burke), O'Donnell (Burke), Dipenta (Burke), Huskins (Burke).

And he brought in Schneider and Bertuzzi because his hands were basically forced. He couldnt have waited for Selanne and Niedermayer because he had no assurance they were coming back.
 
digitalmonkey said:
Maggie the monkey could have signed Getzlaf and Perry to $25 million contracts.
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Your comment makes no sense. He got both signed for below market value. Both are huge deals.

Getzlaf should be making 8.5M (or thereabouts) like Staal... but Burke got him signed for 5M-ish.
 
DredJAw said:
To say he inherited a team that won the cup is completely ridiculous... and frankly, you should be embarassed to call yourself a hockey fan if you think that.

Not one single defenceman he inherited was on the cup team. Yes, every single d-man HE brought in.

Pronger (Burke), Niedermayer (Burke), Beauchemin (Burke), O'Donnell (Burke), Dipenta (Burke), Huskins (Burke).

And he brought in Schneider and Bertuzzi because his hands were basically forced. He couldnt have waited for Selanne and Niedermayer because he had no assurance they were coming back.
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i have to agree with this completly and also your second post. Burke has done a GREAT job! and signing Getlzaf and Perry to those contracts are STEALS.

he did make a bad deal with Bertuzzi..but what GM hasnt made at least 1 bad move? look at the kings..ALL there FA are busts

he has made other great moves besides those signings like the Beauchemin deal with Federov. the schnieder and bertuzzi had to be done since niedermayer and selanne werent 100% sure, and they needed to sign someone to fill inthose voids while they were gone..
 
I could care less about the Ducks. To be honest I wish there were only one team in Cali. But digitalmonkey without those little Icons it's hard to tell if you are trying to have a discussion here or just looking for an argument. So here are some numbers to pretty much end the ol topic.

From 93-04 the Ducks have had 2 winning seasons, and one of those seasons was a 36-33-13 record.

Since Burke came in the Ducks are a completely different team, both on the ice, and behind the desk.

2005-06- 43w-27-12
2007-48w-20-14
2008-47w-27-8

Since Burke came in. The organization made 11 key moves. Practically firing and hiring a completely new HQ to work with Burke.

So you say Burke is a terrible GM, and you state 2 or 3 reasons why, and I just stated 149 reasons why he's a winner.

All info courtesy of Anaheim Ducks Team history web page.

All Rise

You may now be seated.:owned:;):eek::):D:dance::rolleyes:

:habs:=24:stanley:
 
sholi2000 said:
I could care less about the Ducks. To be honest I wish there were only one team in Cali. But digitalmonkey without those little Icons it's hard to tell if you are trying to have a discussion here or just looking for an argument. So here are some numbers to pretty much end the ol topic.

From 93-04 the Ducks have had 2 winning seasons, and one of those seasons was a 36-33-13 record.

Since Burke came in the Ducks are a completely different team, both on the ice, and behind the desk.

2005-06- 43w-27-12
2007-48w-20-14
2008-47w-27-8

Since Burke came in. The organization made 11 key moves. Practically firing and hiring a completely new HQ to work with Burke.

So you say Burke is a terrible GM, and you state 2 or 3 reasons why, and I just stated 149 reasons why he's a winner.

All info courtesy of Anaheim Ducks Team history web page.

All Rise

You may now be seated.:owned:;):eek::):D:dance::rolleyes:

:habs:=24:stanley:
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Burke took over as Anaheim's GM in June 2005...for you to believe that there was not already the foundation (or more) of a winning team already in place is ridiculous.

You can also take a look at what Burke left behind in Vancouver.

Also, I never stated the Getzlaf and Perry signings weren't good, just that they were easy.



P.S. I don't see ANY icons in ANY of my posts.


:owned: :dance:
 
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