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quincy
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As stated above, he’s still under rookie rate for UD. And clearly won’t sign at that rate.
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As stated above, he’s still under rookie rate for UD. And clearly won’t sign at that rate.
frankiefives
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This is ridiculous. If a player doesn't want to sign or doesn't sign on time, it's either stickers or redemptions. Can people please stop acting like stickers autos are the end of the freaking world? We're talking about cards here, not life and death.
guy3050
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EXACTLY, these cards are going to sell for good money no matter what, 95% of the complainers would not buy or can't even afford a Miikka Kiprusoff RPA, and its not like its the 1st time the Cup has stickers, I pulled this card from my case of 2005-06 The Cup and it did not bother me at all
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odjickfan
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Not a question of life and death, but a question of laziness and greed.
I've been in the hobby for 20 years now, I'm old enough to remember the days when everything was hard-signed. Products were also much more affordable, and the checklists were not as diluted as they are now, loaded of rookie-year stuff of no-namers. Having more than one company with a license and some competition made wonders for the quality of the products.
Supply and demand... if the demand wasn't there for the product, thw supply isn't created...
Someone's buying it, it ain't me, but someone is.If it were all stars and superstars, it would be priced accordingly.With the price on wax in general increasing, I've had to adjust my buying habits as well. No point in grousing about stuff I'm not buying. If there's something I like, I'll go and get it if it's priced in a way I feel appropriate.
I actually had money allocated for a tin, I just chose to put it in my RRSP instead...
DynastyCentralSports
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As a Kaprizov collector if anybody pulling a Cup Kaprizov RPA and hates stickers that much they can send them to me, I’ll give these worthless cards a good home.
You’re assumption is wrong, not every Kaprizov Collector hates sticker autos on their Cup cards.
odjickfan
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The RRSP is a good move!
I found several boxes of Pacific Atomic hobby, those will be a special time to open and cool set to build
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frankiefives
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I've been in the hobby for 40 years. Autographs were rare hits 20+ years ago. Nowadays, everyone wants an auto in every box or pack. You can't have it both ways. Getting cards hard signed is a huge task.
By the way, you may want to check out Panini's "high end" football and basketball products. They are filled with stickers.
pwag31
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and unbelievably expensive.
odjickfan
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From 98 to 2005, we had a great selection of hard-signed stuff, even low-end products like MVP and OPC had hard-signed autos. Long odds, but it kept the value decent, and it was special to hit them. There were some great auto sets made in that era, I still have a few MVP Prosign and OPC Stanley Cup Heroes in my collection.
And for the basketball market, I have followed it a bit, the Prizm madness, people grading basic Zion cards like crazy, people rushing into retail stores to clean the shelves, it was the same kind of Covid madness as the toilet paper hoarding.
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fantiki
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Flawless basketball is all on card. I spoke to a Panini gentleman who works on it at the National and asked him how do they pull it. What he said is that you can get signed anything by anybody in 2 weeks: you just call a player agent and tell that it is $2k/signature - it is a premium product we charge $10k/box, so we can not be cheap. A stark contrast to Upper Deck who didn't want to pay Kaprizov $250/auto, but is happy to charge 1.3k/box. It is not a problem of the player availability: Kaprizov has public signings in Minneapolis area almost every month and sometimes even more frequently than that. If UD only puts autos of the scrubs who will sign for $25/auto, boxes should be priced accordingly.
frankiefives
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Upper Deck isn't charging $1.3k a box. That's the retail price and it's being jacked up by distributors because of supply and demand. Group breakers are driving the wax prices through the roof. If UD were to have Kaprizov sign all his Cup cards at $300US a pop, the cost of each tin would have to be increased at the wholesale level and then retail level. You'd all be complaining about UD price gouging. I'm tired of the whining in this hobby. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
paulxing
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The NHLPA literally sets the rates for rookies to sign with UD, why would UD blow up the pay scale for anyone who isn't going to sign an exclusive with them?
NBA has to be like that because the stars make way too much to evne consider sitting down for 2k an auto. You can't even get Russell Westbrook to sit down for a signing session cuz dude making so much money. Without stars then you have to pay up for rookies or else you have a terrible product.
At least before they can jam it with legends who didnt make money playing (see guys like Bill Russell). Once all the legends are gone (RIP) you're going to have a tough time signing guys unless union mandates it.
frankiefives
Verified Trader,
You made my point for me. When autos were very hard pulls, there weren't thousands of cards to have hard signed by hundreds of players.
TMLFan3
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It starts with 2 players not signing for the highest end product, then 5, then 10, then as soon as you know everyone is a sticker auto in a high end product. This is the start of the UD slippery slope. I for one won’t give them any of my $$ for any high end sticker auto.
Bossy22
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I didn’t know the rookie rate deal, that helps clarify things, thanks! I’m wondering if part of the issue is ud wanted to pay rookie rates (and rightfully so) but it is 2 years after their rookie year. I don’t really care about the reason, I just don’t like stickers on cup, spa, or platinum (and yes there has been stickers in each)
French_Connection
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Has anyone seen if any of the cut signatures have been pulled yet? Definitely a few on the checklist I've needed for my collection for a while.
Glenfiddich
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odjickfan
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My last comment on the subject, but do we really need thousands of rookie years autos of players who won't make their place in the show? The products are more and more diluted, with tons of rookie-year stuff of no-namers. Rookie checklists are getting longer and longer every year. An example: in SPA, it went from around 20 FWA in the checklist to 60-100.
frankiefives
Verified Trader,
I'd have no issue if we went back to products that were much cheaper and auto hits were much harder to pull. Unfortunately, that's not what people want. Therefore, in order to keep wax prices affordable (and even that's a stretch now with Group Breakers), we see many "no-name" autos to enable one or more autos in every box.
