Goldin Auctions - Sidney Crosby Young Guns BGS 10 Black Label (Pop 2)

PenguinsChronicles said:
Exactly. The devil is in the details. Some pay attention to them, others do not.
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PenguinsChronicles said:
A "Pristine" card to me should be without flaw. This card has a printing flaw. Although minor, the card is not "without flaw" or Pristine.

Classic example of someone buying the label, not the card.
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PenguinsChronicles said:
Nothing about what I said is slanderous by damaging you or anyone else's reputation.

My response about details was to Triple B, not you.

A statement that some people pay attention to every detail on a card - even the most minute details - especially when spending five figures on them - and others don't is not saying that you personally are ignoring details.

You weight some details differently than me. There's nothing wrong with that.

My comment about someone buying the card due to the label rather than the most minute details was a general statement about how people in the hobby collect and wasn't about you specifically, unless you bought the card.
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Casey, you posted that statement right after I said I'd it wouldn't bother me if I paid $1M for it. Come on man.

When you say that you are poking at my reputation. You slandered me ON MY OWN WEBSITE. Whether intentionally or not, you did. That I haven't kicked you off here yet is because I am now starting to see how self-unaware you are and I don't want to penalize you for that. But man, you are pissing me off.
 
gomaz said:
It is so hard to find a Gretzky rookie with a perfect placed oil drop. Many come close but that perfect one is elusive. Such a fun hobby!
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Just to add/take away from the conversation...when I say this, this is simply a PERSONAL take. I'm ADD that way and my eye goes right to that logo whenever I see a Gretzky RC and that's my problem and no one else's.

That Oil Drop and the Registered Trademark Logo shouldn't weight into how the card is graded, generally speaking, BUT for someone like me (or the Penguins dude up above), it may not make US want to buy it but that doesn't make us right and anyone else completely incorrect. That's just preference and I won't diss anyone else that doesn't agree. For me, the logo needs to be centered. For Penguins dude, that circled R needs to be in a certain spot.
 
Triple B said:
Just to add/take away from the conversation...when I say this, this is simply a PERSONAL take. I'm ADD that way and my eye goes right to that logo whenever I see a Gretzky RC and that's my problem and no one else's.

That Oil Drop and the Registered Trademark Logo shouldn't weight into how the card is graded, generally speaking, BUT for someone like me (or the Penguins dude up above), it may not make US want to buy it but that doesn't make us right and anyone else completely incorrect. That's just preference and I won't diss anyone else that doesn't agree. For me, the logo needs to be centered. For Penguins dude, that circled R needs to be in a certain spot.
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Agree 100% with this except that I think the placement of the oil Drop should be considered when assessing the grade of that particular card because it effects the eye appeal of the card, AND the hobby overwhelmingly considers it an important feature of the card.
 
Hologram placement aside, why does that bottom edge, that appears to be cut with a dull cutter, pass as a pristine card? See the cardboard "hairs"?

Even if they are all like that, it's still not a perfect card.

But I am a dinosaur who just doesn't "get" graded stuff anyway.
 
I don’t care what anyone buys or how they collect but it is very clear to me these pristine labels are manufactured rarity. Of all of the Crosby’s printed there would be hundreds that could sit in that same slab and none of us would know the difference. The population of cards like this are kept artificially low by the TPG’s.

Please don’t interpret this as a shot at how anyone collects, or the future value of this card, or anything else. I would be proud to own this card but have no doubt there are hundreds of similar examples
 
japhi said:
I don’t care what anyone buys or how they collect but it is very clear to me these pristine labels are manufactured rarity. Of all of the Crosby’s printed there would be hundreds that could sit in that same slab and none of us would know the difference. The population of cards like this are kept artificially low by the TPG’s.

Please don’t interpret this as a shot at how anyone collects, or the future value of this card, or anything else. I would be proud to own this card but have no doubt there are hundreds of similar examples
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Yeah I agree with this. The differences in modern cards’ conditions are so subtle that there are cases where the cards in the black label slab could be interchangeable with those is BGS 10 reg slabs, strong BGS 9.5’s and evening PSA 10’s.

It sure seems like the TPG’s control this which is a form of “manufactured rarity”. I’d hope that each card is evaluated independent of the existing populations but it sure doesn’t seem like it.
 
gomaz said:
Yeah I agree with this. The differences in modern cards’ conditions are so subtle that there are cases where the cards in the black label slab could be interchangeable with those is BGS 10 reg slabs, strong BGS 9.5’s and evening PSA 10’s.

It sure seems like the TPG’s control this which is a form of “manufactured rarity”. I’d hope that each card is evaluated independent of the existing populations but it sure doesn’t seem like it.
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1993 Jeter SP is the same, high grade pops being kept low by design.
 
As someone who tossed in an early bid in case it didn't receive much public recognition, and was going to sell for much less than it did, I can see the final sale price in my account.

Final bid was 30 000$ USD
Add 20% buyer's premium: 36 000$ USD
That converts to roughly 48 000$ CAD

Then, as always, add shipping, insurance, and potential local taxes, potential import fees/charges/duties/etc for a variable final cost, depending on whoever won it.
For example, if I had placed that bid -- which I most definitely did not -- I figure it would have cost me about 55 000$ CAD to hold in my hand in Ontario, Canada.

Andrew
 
achittka said:
As someone who tossed in an early bid in case it didn't receive much public recognition, and was going to sell for much less than it did, I can see the final sale price in my account.

Final bid was 30 000$ USD
Add 20% buyer's premium: 36 000$ USD
That converts to roughly 48 000$ CAD

Then, as always, add shipping, insurance, and potential local taxes, potential import fees/charges/duties/etc for a variable final cost, depending on whoever won it.
For example, if I had placed that bid -- which I most definitely did not -- I figure it would have cost me about 55 000$ CAD to hold in my hand in Ontario, Canada.

Andrew
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That is a whole lot of ducats….. :banana:

Thanks for the info.
 
achittka said:
As someone who tossed in an early bid in case it didn't receive much public recognition, and was going to sell for much less than it did, I can see the final sale price in my account.

Final bid was 30 000$ USD
Add 20% buyer's premium: 36 000$ USD
That converts to roughly 48 000$ CAD

Then, as always, add shipping, insurance, and potential local taxes, potential import fees/charges/duties/etc for a variable final cost, depending on whoever won it.
For example, if I had placed that bid -- which I most definitely did not -- I figure it would have cost me about 55 000$ CAD to hold in my hand in Ontario, Canada.

Andrew
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Thanks for this. That's a lot of coin for this YG!
 

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