How I hate redemptions.

Micheal Doyle

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Who do you contact about the fact they are really slow at dealing with this. Well forget that, how about the replacment card I should be getting.They made me wait for a year , then tell me the card is not made, and still have not sent the replacement. Monopolies ****! :mad:

Steve
 
Hmmm, kind of reminds me of Microsoft;) I have been waiting for a replacement for 9 months now as well. I just keep getting emails saying "we are trying to resolve this issue for you" and " I have placed you at the top of the list" and " I have put this in fromt of my team lead". They are just like a bad joke, but I keep buying, so who is the dumb arse:0

D.
 
Just another lie, consistent with the entire CS operation of UD. For a while I honestly thought they may have turned the corner but the last month or so they have sunk to their lowest point ever IMO.

Darren
 
I understand your pain... they shouldn't be sending you cards that are in worse condition than the ones you sent out.

On the other hand, when you talk to them on the phone asking whether they can be replaced, it may be the case that at that precise moment they COULD be replaced. However, including transit time of you sending the cards out it is entirely possible that somebody else ended up with same problem on the same card... and they sent it in at the same time.

Honestly I do not think they would be that stupid in telling you on the phone a complete lie - it wastes their time and yours. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt... but sometimes I wonder whether they deserve it.

Matt
 
IMO, they tell you whatever they think you want to hear to get you off the phone happy with them so they don't have to deal with you, next time you call, they can either pull a Carlin and ignore you....tell you the same lies and blame it on someone else and tell you it will be taken care of asap...or send you to some idiot CS rep who doesn't know squat about hockey.
 
unfortunately.. it is becoming the Norm instead of the exception.

I have a damaged card from last eyars cup sent in in the first of february 07 and they still havent decided what to do.
 
you dont want to know my opinion, I only got satisfaction when Chris Carlin got involved, everyone else is pretty much useless.
 
you dont want to know my opinion, I only got satisfaction when Chris Carlin got involved, everyone else is pretty much useless.


Unfortunately Carlin has fallen into the pattern of most other UD employees now and just ignores people. He used to be very consistent and on top of things, now I wonder if he even knows where he works.
 
I'll have to say that there are 1 or 2 employees at UD that are pretty good to deal with. They know who they are and I have dealt with one almost entirely on all the issues that I have had recently and he has met or exceeded my expectations.

Mike.
 
Okay first off Chris Carlin has switched departments and doesn't deal with this on a regular basis anymore so it doesn't surprise me that he's not answering your emails. As for the replacements, consider yourself lucky that you have gotten replacements on the 05/06 SPA cards as most people I have talked to were told sorry about your luck they are more then 8 months old so even getting 2 of the 3 replaced was awesome. As for the H&P it could be a matter of they ran out of replacement stock. What I've been told is on low print run stuff like that they only carry one replacement so if someone else had an issue and got their card in first then they most likely got the replacement. Sorry it didn't work out for you. It's happened to me before as well so I know what it feels like.
 
That's correct - Carlin's no longer in charge of that portfolio. It's now Nick Leslie, a man who has delusions of competence. On top of that, the CS department - despite overhaul - functions about as well as a Microsoft Beta release. There STILL isn't good inventory control, quality control, or even consistency of message.

In other words, business as usual.
 
Okay first off Chris Carlin has switched departments and doesn't deal with this on a regular basis anymore so it doesn't surprise me that he's not answering your emails. As for the replacements, consider yourself lucky that you have gotten replacements on the 05/06 SPA cards as most people I have talked to were told sorry about your luck they are more then 8 months old so even getting 2 of the 3 replaced was awesome. As for the H&P it could be a matter of they ran out of replacement stock. What I've been told is on low print run stuff like that they only carry one replacement so if someone else had an issue and got their card in first then they most likely got the replacement. Sorry it didn't work out for you. It's happened to me before as well so I know what it feels like.

steve never sent carlin an email
 
Guys,

I know that I haven't had any time to help with replacements but I have been too busy with other job priorities (which replacements and redemptions aren't).

Once I get a little caught up, I can help but please go through CS first. I would appreciate it.

Mike, I'm glad that you did this but had a bad experience, I will see what I can do but please have some patience with me, It may take a long while, so if time is the essence then I connot help you.

This would apply to all of yous as well.

Thanks Karvin
 
Okay first off Chris Carlin has switched departments and doesn't deal with this on a regular basis anymore so it doesn't surprise me that he's not answering your emails.

Steve, Mine wasn't an email, it was a letter/package sent directly to him signature required. And, even if it was an email, does that mean he is not entitled to at least take 5 seconds to repsond and say, "Hey there, I'm not in charge of this anymore but I have forwarded your information/request to the appropriate person/department." Sorry, I don't think that's asking too much. Not to mention when you have a repor with someone for over 10 years, I don't think it's too much to ask for some form of response, whether by phone, email, or currier pigeon, he has all of my contact info so there really is no excuse unless he no longer works for the company. He received the package I mailed him, but like most UD employees, the mute button must be on.
 
For over a year I was waiting for a PETER STASTNY XCITEMENT LEGENDS SPECTRUM AUTOGRAPH redemption to come through. I sent many emails and was in touch with a CS rep whose name I forget at this point. Basically, all I asked was when I could expect the redemption to be sent. Peter was signing "new" hard signed and sticker cards for Upper Deck and I was besides myself as to why they couldn't get this card from over a year ago fulfilled if he's signing over a dozen new variations. I asked the rep to check on this and gave him my reasoning. He tells me "please be patient" like the website! Then he says if I don't want to wait give a list of players wanted. At this point I went ballistic. How can you work in customer service and not know the status of the products that you make and market? I asked him how hard it was to get up from his desk and check this for me. After that no more responses, go figure. Then Karvin got involved and shortly thereafter I received my card. It's unbelieveable. What are you going to do since they have the monopoly and they know it. Useless reps that probably are playing online golf or poker instead of doing their jobs!
 
That's correct - Carlin's no longer in charge of that portfolio. It's now Nick Leslie, a man who has delusions of competence. On top of that, the CS department - despite overhaul - functions about as well as a Microsoft Beta release. There STILL isn't good inventory control, quality control, or even consistency of message.

In other words, business as usual.

Can "mediocrity" be a goal, and have you really achieved anything if you get there?

heh-heh...delusions of competence...
 
That's correct - Carlin's no longer in charge of that portfolio. It's now Nick Leslie, a man who has delusions of competence. On top of that, the CS department - despite overhaul - functions about as well as a Microsoft Beta release. There STILL isn't good inventory control, quality control, or even consistency of message.

In other words, business as usual.

I kept catching heat for stating the obvious for how long now?

Mike serious are you surprised? I have gone through this enough to make you throw up in disgust.

Some amazing examples showing you how idiotic UD is when it comes to CS.

1) a cup /10 dual auto jersey, figured it will be a tough replacement. I am told every card /10 or higher from 05/06 Cup has 1 replacement so "send it in ASAP" I 2day air it and 2 months later it was returned with a letter stating it couldnt be replaced. I find out later the information I received was incorrect....what a surprise.

2) an artifacts /5 patch with 3 bad corners. I call get the ok to send it in. for 8 months I was told the card was replaced but the outside company who does the numbering hasnt returned it to UD. 2 months after I hear that I get back my same damaged card with the same 3 damaged corners. Yet another oops *cough* lie

The one that broke the back.

3) An $8 card that was worth nothing to me. 05/06 BAP Erik Cole auto, i could have cared less if i got the card but what annoyed me was the fact it was "in house" for over 15 months. I refused to have it replaced just to prove how idiotic UD was yet again. It want as far as that Karvin himself called me saying he has visual confirmation of the labels in house and I will receive the card within 2 weeks. A couple jokes followed and said something similiar to "I swear you will have it trust me" a month goes by I get a package from UD with a paul martin bap auto with a letter stating the Erik Cole will not be produced. Karvin remember this one?

The issue is there are more then 1 issue in hand here.
-ALL UD employee's are misinformed and just spread misinformation. Everyone from managers to the kid who picks up the phone

-UD doesnt care 1 bit about customer satisfaction, they have shown us this 10000's of times over the years. It's not on their radar because anyone who is dealing with CS has already paid UD.

-They overproduce everything to pimp the system. You cant fault them for this because its a business but how about throwing some of our hard earned money into that joke of a CS dept?

-Carlin turned the CS dept to mush and moved on. He was a waste of a manager and did much more harm then good. For every "wow i got an orr auto for my weak sundin auto" there are 100 other stories of the exact opposite outcome.

-There is no big brother watching UD, its their sandbox and they can do as they please. Name another company with this as much lack of disrespect to it's customer as UD has.

Keep dumping $$$ into those cases, UD is loving it. I am happy to say I moved my money elsewhere, I would normally not even comment about any of this but of course even though I left the hobby UD owes me redemptions that I paid for and I want back.
 
I only wish I could have said it better, bravo. I too have opened very little UD products since January. Personally UD's products have become very boring might pick up a few cards here and there but thanks to all the BS very little UD pack or box busting

love these 2 thanks UD

7/26/2006 CAM BARKER
2005/06 NHL SPA AUTOGRAPHED FUTURE WATCH CD # 146 Athlete committed to signing soon, please be patient. 7/26/2006

2/22/2007 DUSTIN BOYD
2006/07 NHL SPx AUTO ROOKIE JERSEYS LEVEL 2 # TO 1299 CD# 161 Card will produced at the same time as 2007/2008 NHL SPX. Please contact CS for replacement if you would not like to wait 1-800-873-7332. 2/22/2007
 
I think part of UD is who you are and who you know for your redemptions too.

Nothing, and I mean nothing could be more true. It all depends on who you know, and how much rear end you are willing to kiss. I refuse to suck up to the corporate swine just to get WHAT I AM OWED since I already paid my hard earned money. Yet, others who are willing to get their faces dirty walk away with "unreleased" cards that have absolutely no business whatsoever finding their way into the market as a "replacement." Upper Deck doesn't care one bit because we, yes all of us, have contributed to making them richer then they could have ever imagined, so why should they care. They are doing a remarkable job of turning the hockey card hobby into the biggest mess we have ever seen, and turning away more hobbyists then anyone really realizes. Personally I hope the trend continues until one day they wake up and realize that no dealers want to order their product or adhere to their iron fisted demands anymore because the customers finally have enough and refuse to purchase their products. One day before I reach my grave, all I want to see in print is "Upper Deck LLC Files Chapter 7".
 
I'm sorry to disagree with you guys on this matter. I have made my myself available to everyone and tried to resolve any issues.

Has there been times where I would respond to one issue but needed to wait before helping people out. Of course I have.... my job is to build products and that is my #1 priority. Have I still responded to everyone's emails...I have.

Does this mean that I will go back and help these people...I will but I have to be on time for my deadlines or products will slip.

My focus and my passion to for the collectors (irregardless of who you are...and yes I do talk to all people including Meth68 <actually we get along pretty well;>). We share the same passions and be critical but everything takes time for things to improve. If you have issues then you have an open line to contact me here PM or email. I will always talk to anybody about their concerns

People continue to complain, yet many of you contact me and even after helping you resolve your issues, you still complain!

Does this mean that I won't help you. Hell no! I still go to the end of the earth fighting for you guys but cut us some slack afterwards. There is only so much abuse around here. HI is becoming like Beckett with threads like this.

Let's relax a little and if you have issues then PM me or email at [email protected] and I will forward them to the proper people or if you have patience then I will take care of you but at a later date.

but I digress....

k
 
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