MGiuseffi1969
Upstanding Member,
100% lock
I think he's not only a lock but a first ballot
Cups should never matter. Its a team sport. One Hart or Ross equals 3 cups
I agree. I have always said that it's having championships that separate the good from the great, the stars from the superstars. When you look at all major professional sports, the guy's that are remembered as being the greatest in their respective sports are those with championships. Sure many of the superstars who win Cups also have other accolades - records, awards, etc. also. I always thought one of the greatest examples was in the NFL in the 80's, when you compare say Dan Marino to Joe Montana. Marino had many of the records, awards, etc., but he could never win the big one. Hardly anyone mentions or thinks of his name when discussions of the "greatest" come up. It's almost like Marino's been forgotten. You see it in all sports. Look at basketball - i.e. Jordan vs. guy's like Karl Malone, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, etc. Sure Thorton is a very good player, sure he will probably get into the HOF, but unless you can win the Cup, he will forever find himself separated from those like Crosby, Yzerman, Lemieux, Gretzky, to name a few. Even guy's like Kane and Toews are solidifying their legacies by having won the big one several times.So based on your logic Wayne Gretzky has the equivalent of 57 Stanley Cups just off of those two trophies? Get out.
I'd say a Cup is a LOT tougher to win than an individual trophy. I think you have it backwards, a Cup should be equal to 3 of the individual awards.
So based on your logic Wayne Gretzky has the equivalent of 57 Stanley Cups just off of those two trophies? Get out.
I'd say a Cup is a LOT tougher to win than an individual trophy. I think you have it backwards, a Cup should be equal to 3 of the individual awards.
The only issue I take with that is how many players weren't significant contributors who win Cups. If you really wanted to put together a formula for this, Cups won should be a 1.2-1.8x modifier to individual trophies or statistical achievements in helping their odds of getting into the Hall. Multiple Cups and a Hart Trophy? Your ticket is punched.
So based on your logic Wayne Gretzky has the equivalent of 57 Stanley Cups just off of those two trophies? Get out.
I'd say a Cup is a LOT tougher to win than an individual trophy. I think you have it backwards, a Cup should be equal to 3 of the individual awards.
I think winning a stanley cup helps but certainly won't keep stars out. Some of the guys who sneaked in over the past few years wouldn't get in without the cups. Obviously Ovy is a HOF lock but people look at him differently because he hasn't won one. It follows them around there is always an elephant in the room with those guys. Jumbo Joe had a great career and will get in, however with a cup there wouldn't be questions or doubt he would be a lock.
If they were actually asked (and they probably have been at some point) they would admit a Cup win would mean something very significant to their legacies, not "nothing." I think in the HOF you have obviously two groups - the guy's with Cups and the guy's without Cups. Nobody is saying you need a Cup to get into the Hall. However, having one separates significantly the stars and superstars that have them and those who do not have them - separates them in terms of their greatness.HOCKEY HALL OF FAME........... is not only NHL its all of hockey.. Winning a cup means nothing , ask pavel bure , mats sundin adam oates, etc
So you think Mark Cullen has a better chance of making the Hall of fame than Ovechkin? Got out!
I think there is a balance, Cujo never won a cup but was in my mind a HOF goalie, just usually played on bad teams.
If they were actually asked (and they probably have been at some point) they would admit a Cup win would mean something very significant to their legacies, not "nothing." I think in the HOF you have obviously two groups - the guy's with Cups and the guy's without Cups. Nobody is saying you need a Cup to get into the Hall. However, having one separates significantly the stars and superstars that have them and those who do not have them - separates them in terms of their greatness.