No one is discussing the complete debacle from Friday?

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A team that gets a shot in the "playoffs" is going to pick 1st overall. Anyone else think this is a total joke?

I'm not a Detroit fan but man did they get screwed. One of the worst seasons in history and they pick 4th.
 
Actually, no, a team that loses in the play in will get first overall. The teams that make the playoffs can't get it.

I've got no issue with it. It was a 1 in 40 chance that a team from 17 to 24 would get it. All teams agreed to it... Just the way the balls tumbled.

Cory
 
will-411 said:
Actually, no, a team that loses in the play in will get first overall. The teams that make the playoffs can't get it.

I've got no issue with it. It was a 1 in 40 chance that a team from 17 to 24 would get it. All teams agreed to it... Just the way the balls tumbled.

Cory
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This is why I put "playoffs" - but in my opinion, when others seasons are over and you're moving onto a tournament in a best-of type series, that's playoffs to me. So even though it's a play-in, you've got a shot. The other 7 teams (well 6, since Ottawa had two picks) don't have that chance.
 
I don't see what the problem people have is. A team that loses the play in series i.e. does not make the playoffs will get the pick. It's no different than say the team sitting in 9-10 draft spot winning the lottery and moving to #1 if the season completed normally. Just the past few seasons we've seen teams like the Jets, Stars, Flyers, and Devils make big jumps up the draft by winning one of the three lottery positions. This year it just happened to be for the #1 spot. Screw the Red wings and Senators.
 
geschrocks33 said:
A team that gets a shot in the "playoffs" is going to pick 1st overall. Anyone else think this is a total joke?

I'm not a Detroit fan but man did they get screwed. One of the worst seasons in history and they pick 4th.
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Know who else had one of the worst seasons in history and fell to 4th? Colorado. They took Cale Makar, and could have taken Pettersson.

First overall would have been ideal obviously but this draft is supposed to be pretty deep so they'll get a bigtime player regardless.
 
I actually kind of like it. Watching teams be intentionally terrible and not get the first overall is exactly what I want to see. I think the only issue I'll have is if Edmonton gets first overall again.
 
My problem isn't that one of the play-in teams will get the pick, but that they are all given the same odds (12.5%). I believe it should be weighted based on the number of points each play-in loser had during the season.
 
quincy said:
Y'all are missing something important here. At least it didn't go to the Oilers.
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But it still could... Hell, it could go to the Leafs.

Or the Penguins... that would be scary.

I think they did the best they could with the situation at hand. It was as close as they could make it to the current lottery system with the issues at hand being dealt with.

I have no problem with it whatsoever.

Cory
 
Yup, oilers got it no question.

The NHL needs an anti-Oiler-1st-overall-pick rule. It’s cost the league enough (squandered future talent that could’ve improved the overall quality of NHL play).

And for the tin hat wearing folks...could this be an extension of some bizarre agreement the NHL made with Pocklington back in the day (to cut Wayne lose to an emerging market)? :foottap:

#tinhatsRfun
 
It wasn’t a 1:40 chance of happening. The combined odds of the best-worst teams, the teams that lose in the playin round were better than Detroit or Ottawa. That doesn’t make any sense at all. So there was always better odds that one of the placeholder teams would be in the top 3.

There was absolutely no reason to hold the lottery now, before the season begun. There was no reason to give eight teams who barely miss the playoffs better odds than Ottawa and Detroit.

The draft is meant to give bad teams an attempt to get better, not allow Toronto, Edmonton or Pittsburgh to get a star player on their ELC while Detroit struggles to ice an NHL team.

Of all of the teams since the 2005 lockout, Detroit has made the most concessions without really getting anything from the league. Had to cut their salary by more than half, got punished for legal, league approved contracts, and now after decades of success and being a money machine for the league, they’re being kicked when they’re down because Edmonton is a horrible franchise.

If the league cared about parity and fairness they would scrap the ELC contract or make rookie bonuses much higher. Lafreniere could easily come into the league and score 80 points on a good team all while making less than $3.5 mill with maxed out bonuses. Make teams pay what young players are worth and make them trade other talented players away to fit the new ones under the cap.
 
cardboardnostalgia said:
It wasn’t a 1:40 chance of happening. The combined odds of the best-worst teams, the teams that lose in the playin round were better than Detroit or Ottawa. That doesn’t make any sense at all. So there was always better odds that one of the placeholder teams would be in the top 3.

There was absolutely no reason to hold the lottery now, before the season begun. There was no reason to give eight teams who barely miss the playoffs better odds than Ottawa and Detroit.

The draft is meant to give bad teams an attempt to get better, not allow Toronto, Edmonton or Pittsburgh to get a star player on their ELC while Detroit struggles to ice an NHL team.

Of all of the teams since the 2005 lockout, Detroit has made the most concessions without really getting anything from the league. Had to cut their salary by more than half, got punished for legal, league approved contracts, and now after decades of success and being a money machine for the league, they’re being kicked when they’re down because Edmonton is a horrible franchise.

If the league cared about parity and fairness they would scrap the ELC contract or make rookie bonuses much higher. Lafreniere could easily come into the league and score 80 points on a good team all while making less than $3.5 mill with maxed out bonuses. Make teams pay what young players are worth and make them trade other talented players away to fit the new ones under the cap.
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My mistake - the odds of that particular team (Team E) winning was 2.5%. You're right, the combined odds of all of the losing play-in teams winning first overall was about 24%... which is the same as it has been for team 8 through 15 now for a while. So I still don't see the issue. These will still be the 15 teams that didn't make the playoffs, even if how the 8 -15 teams are decided in a bit different way.

The solution they came up with had to protect the integrity of the season, the playoffs and the draft. I still think it did all of those things.

As far as ELC - You can't blame the league alone. The PA agreed to sell out the rookies in the CBA to ensure there was more money for vets.

Cory
 
will-411 said:
But it still could... Hell, it could go to the Leafs.

Or the Penguins... that would be scary.

I think they did the best they could with the situation at hand. It was as close as they could make it to the current lottery system with the issues at hand being dealt with.

I have no problem with it whatsoever.

Cory
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You know what, I'd kind of like to see him end up in Pittsburgh. Sidney Crosby, a former Rimouski Oceanic, passing the torch to another 1st overall Rimouski alum. It would almost be like Mario handing the team over to Sid back in 2005. And think of Lafreniere's rookie prices if he gets to play on Crosby's wing as a rookie. That would be great for the hobby.

As for how all this is going down, meh. I'm fine with it. This whole year has been a clustermuck anyway so what's a little more drama. The season didn't end proper so whatever they did somebody was going to end up pissed off. They're playing with the hand they were dealt and we're all just going to have to deal with it and hope everything is back to normal for next time.
 
will-411 said:
My mistake - the odds of that particular team (Team E) winning was 2.5%. You're right, the combined odds of all of the losing play-in teams winning first overall was about 24%... which is the same as it has been for team 8 through 15 now for a while. So I still don't see the issue. These will still be the 15 teams that didn't make the playoffs, even if how the 8 -15 teams are decided in a bit different way.

The solution they came up with had to protect the integrity of the season, the playoffs and the draft. I still think it did all of those things.

As far as ELC - You can't blame the league alone. The PA agreed to sell out the rookies in the CBA to ensure there was more money for vets.

Cory
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It’s different than previous seasons though because the combined odds are used for a second lottery. So those teams effectively have eight combined attempts at 1st overall instead of having eight individual long shots at 1st overall.

That also isn’t taking into consideration the crazy scenario where the season is cancelled but they have the second lottery anyway.
 
It's odd.... and that those eight teams effectively became one for this draft: Most should have looked at this, and figured at least one of the picks would go to a "TBD" team.

I'll echo an earlier comment: Why did they have to do this now? Can anyone explain why the last Friday in June was needed, rather than 8 weeks later (when I assume we'll know who the TBD teams are).

One thing I'd point out: Since they had to make up a new format on the fly.... and some teams (rightfully) might feel like they're getting screwed (i.e. Pittsburgh) by having to play-in: Dangling a 12.5% chance to maybe get a top pick: They might have been needed to get everyone on board with the format.
 

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