Patch forger... caught! gomaz would be proud ;)

I know exactly who this is. All I can say is that I'm massively disappointed, and fiercely pleased that he's been busted. I hope charges are laid.
 
HawksFan67 said:
Excellent job!!!!!! But of all the posts here, none have included the guy's HI user ID. Please post it so I can see if I've been duped.
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my thoughts as well, i buy a lot from users on this site and just want to make sure. also, great work investigating. but i must say I dont see the point of making this thread and not letting people know what the HI name is. thanks, darren
 
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Man thank God this was posted, I was saving to go for the Nash 1/1. I would also like to know HI user name on here.
 
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wow! that's some great detective work. nick sounds familiar but luckily i don't recall ever having bought anything from him.

and no joke though, UD should really hire this guy. some of his work is just impressive. imagine if he was the one putting the patches together at production and was also the one fixing your replacements? given the materials were properly provided by UD and he did it at their facility, the cards would be both legitimate and he would almost single-handedly solve their replacement problems.
 
SkyFire47 said:
wow! that's some great detective work. nick sounds familiar but luckily i don't recall ever having bought anything from him.

and no joke though, UD should really hire this guy. some of his work is just impressive. imagine if he was the one putting the patches together at production and was also the one fixing your replacements? given the materials were properly provided by UD and he did it at their facility, the cards would be both legitimate and he would almost single-handedly solve their replacement problems.
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I was thinking the same thing. Those are some vast improvements over what he originally got.

Good work guys. :beer:
 
Very nice work. Ever consider a career in Private Investigation? I guess this is why I never purchase any patch cards since I don't trust any of them.


In all honesty, what is Ebay going to do (close the account?), Upper Deck (what do they care) and RCMP (for them it is too petty). I see nothing happening.
 
That's why everyone should only purchase cards they see a live video break to... which means I better start filming my breaks... actually with my luck there's no need, I should just be worried about whose buying my cards as I'm the one who pulls the all white Limited Logos which will probably then be replaced with fake patches.
 
babying said:
Very nice work. Ever consider a career in Private Investigation? I guess this is why I never purchase any patch cards since I don't trust any of them.


In all honesty, what is Ebay going to do (close the account?), Upper Deck (what do they care) and RCMP (for them it is too petty). I see nothing happening.
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Very, Very, VERY well said on all three accounts.....:beer:

And to boot, this guy's daddy is loaded....he'll bail him out of any potential legal problems.
 
Actually, considering he's selling the cards on false pretenses - fraud is a probable charge. Wire fraud. Fraud over $1000. Etc.

They may have bigger fish on the go, but that doesn't mean it's carte blanche for smaller scammers to get away with it.
 
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Cynic that I am, I fear that very little will result from all the hard work put into revealing this weasel. UD doesn't care and will wash their hands of it saying they can't be involved with what people do with the cards once they're on the open market (a simple thumbnail contact sheet of high end pieces on their website would take care of the problem), and Ebay will just let him sign up with a new ID; they don't care as long as the fees keep coming in. Even if the police can press some kind of charges, he'll just say he "didn't know" or they were merely "enhanced" cards or some sort of nonsense like that. At least that's how its done down here in the States:rolleyes: Thank you, though, to everyone for your effort to put an end to all this. At least maybe some HI members will be spared losing their money now.
 
Nice work! Question though...what exactly makes this type of thing a criminal act? If I buy a used car, and replace the crappy stereo, and then resell the car - is that fraud? Although the card has an UD COA printed on the back, those are the words of UD - not the seller and I would think that COA is only relevant when the card is initially pulled from the pack. I would like to see this goofball punished - but under what laws?
 
babying said:
In all honesty, what is Ebay going to do (close the account?), Upper Deck (what do they care) and RCMP (for them it is too petty). I see nothing happening.
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A civil action requires proof on the balance of probabilities and doesn't involve the Crown or the police - however, you should still file a complaint if you've been burned. I have a friend who acted for a US ebayer who bought a fake Rolex from an ebay seller here in Calgary and I can ask him what he did, but I recall him telling me that the seller refunded the money (but only in exchange for the return of the watch!). I believe all it took was a few scary letters and no action was ever commenced.
 
THERUSSIANRCKT said:
Nice work! Question though...what exactly makes this type of thing a criminal act? If I buy a used car, and replace the crappy stereo, and then resell the car - is that fraud? Although the card has an UD COA printed on the back, those are the words of UD - not the seller and I would think that COA is only relevant when the card is initially pulled from the pack. I would like to see this goofball punished - but under what laws?
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Mail fraud, forgery - I suspect the former would be considered the more serious of the charges - since neither Canada Post or the USPS would be too happy. I would also suspect that Paypal or various credit card outlets may not be too pleased either if money is to be refunded to purchasers, particularly for the credit card issuers.
 
THERUSSIANRCKT said:
Nice work! Question though...what exactly makes this type of thing a criminal act? If I buy a used car, and replace the crappy stereo, and then resell the car - is that fraud? Although the card has an UD COA printed on the back, those are the words of UD - not the seller and I would think that COA is only relevant when the card is initially pulled from the pack. I would like to see this goofball punished - but under what laws?
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I don't practice criminal law, but have a look at section 380(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada. There may be consumer protection legislation in the jurisdiction (sounds like Ontario) that a purchaser could rely on to file a complaint under such legislation and/or bring a civil action.
 
I contacted an RCMP officer about this, and he stated if fell under the Forgery portion of the Criminal Code. Could you swing a "fraud" or "mail fraud" charge as well? Potentially... but at the end of the day, he took some, altered it and passed it off as a legitimate original. That's forgery.
 
nwojoey said:
Very, Very, VERY well said on all three accounts.....:beer:

And to boot, this guy's daddy is loaded....he'll bail him out of any potential legal problems.
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My question is if the guy's Dad is loaded, why is he doing this?

Also anyone know if he is a member of HI?
 


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