Patrick Kane potentially in trouble again

pathshot said:
And he's headed to camp, which means the Blackhawks didn't think it right to suspend him. At the same time, the Kings haven't terminated Voynov's contract the way they did Mike Richards. Two very tone-deaf handlings of violence against women.
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The difference is Voynov and Kane are still very useful players while Richards was not.
 
slckrsx said:
The difference is Voynov and Kane are still very useful players while Richards was not.
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Voynov is headed back to the KHL, and may not be back. His rights have some value, but one would hope the Kings would take the same approach they did with Richards. Voynov pleaded No Contest, and his charge was much worse than Richards.

While you say that, perhaps believing it's right for business, the backlash the NFL and Ravens endured over the Ray Rice handling suggests it's not a great way to deal with their players causing this level of trouble.
 
pathshot said:
And he's headed to camp, which means the Blackhawks didn't think it right to suspend him. At the same time, the Kings haven't terminated Voynov's contract the way they did Mike Richards. Two very tone-deaf handlings of violence against women.
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My understanding, and it's limited to me reading the same info available to everybody, is that the Hawks are going to let the legal system run its course and react accordingly. Unless and until Kane is formally charged, they're not going to do anything involving a suspension. Should he be charged, that's when they'll take action against the player.

All this said, Kane broke his silence and managed to say something stupid:

"This has been an incredibly difficult time for many people. I cannot apologize enough for the distraction this has caused my family, my teammates, this incredible organization and, of course, our fans,” Kane said. “I am confident that when all the facts are brought to light, I will be absolved of having done nothing wrong."
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Being a wordsmith of sorts, I can tell you that he is actually saying that he will be found guilty. The correct terminology he probably intended to use was "I will be absolved of any wrongdoing."

Interesting enough, CBS Chicago actually changed the wording of his quote, and therefore the entire meaning of what he said:

“I’m confident that once all the facts are brought to light, I will be absolved of (wrongdoing),” Kane said at a press conference on the campus of Notre Dame in South Bend, Ind, where the Blackhawks open camp Friday morning.
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That press conference went very wrong. The Blackhawks organization looked terrible in how that was all handled yesterday. Clueless.
 
Worst press conference ever... Don't even know why they had Kane take questions afterwards. they could have just had a piece of paper with the quote on it that they held up each time a reporter asked a question.

It seems like the Hawks are trying to completely downplay this, banking on a settlement being reached.

I was frustrated when they said they spoke with Kane's legal team and determined it was okay to go ahead business as normal. If they wanted to do something with meaning, they should have asked the accusers legal team what they thought.

Kane needs to man up here and he's failing miserably.

Cory
 
Is there a credible argument that the NHL/Hawks aren't messing up by allowing him to attend camp? It seems prudent for the NHL/Hawks to suspend him with pay. It's the norm for many jobs that one is suspended with pay while being subject to a felony investigation, at least from what I understand.

The fact that this hasn't been done reeks of self-interest.


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fuel_77 said:
Is there a credible argument that the NHL/Hawks aren't messing up by allowing him to attend camp? It seems prudent for the NHL/Hawks to suspend him with pay. It's the norm for many jobs that one is suspended with pay while being subject to a felony investigation, at least from what I understand.

The fact that this hasn't been done reeks of self-interest.


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But they're not tone-deaf, according to themselves.

The only argument that would make any sense is that they're waiting for the legal process to run its course; if Kane gets charged, then they'll suspend him.
 
RGM81 said:
But they're not tone-deaf, according to themselves.

The only argument that would make any sense is that they're waiting for the legal process to run its course; if Kane gets charged, then they'll suspend him.
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It's enough to make me wonder if the failed negotiation, which delayed the grand jury, was done with the intent of getting him to training camp.
 
I have a hard time understanding from a moral standpoint how any of these franchises can allow players to attend camps or preseason when legal issues like these hang over the players head.

NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL should adopt a policy that for any domestic or sexual investigation that player needs to be suspended and must stay away from the organization until the investigation is concluded.
 
losman#99 said:
I have a hard time understanding from a moral standpoint how any of these franchises can allow players to attend camps or preseason when legal issues like these hang over the players head.

NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL should adopt a policy that for any domestic or sexual investigation that player needs to be suspended and must stay away from the organization until the investigation is concluded.
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Why? Innocent until proven guilty is the protection anyone has in our court system. The fact that many have placed guilt upon him without any facts or a jury decision to this point shouldn't have any bearing on his status. Suspension with pay however, if that is what you meant, could be a reasonable option, and is common practice in other professions.

Using myself for an example, if I was arrested for something and my personal time off covered anything I needed to handle with the courts etc, then my employer wouldn't even know i was being charged with anything.
 
MNwild10 said:
Why? Innocent until proven guilty is the protection anyone has in our court system. The fact that many have placed guilt upon him without any facts or a jury decision to this point shouldn't have any bearing on his status. Suspension with pay however, if that is what you meant, could be a reasonable option, and is common practice in other professions.

Using myself for an example, if I was arrested for something and my personal time off covered anything I needed to handle with the courts etc, then my employer wouldn't even know i was being charged with anything.
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Huge difference between the court system and the court of public opinion. Because these players are in the public eye, and speculation runs rampant, there's no guilty verdict necessary for fans, the city, or the league to take concern with how this is being handled. For now, it seems the league is letting the teams dictate their best practice. Many fans and residents of Chicago are just plain pissed because of this, and it was exacerbated by embarrassment of a press conference yesterday. There will be a financial impact.
 
MNwild10 said:
Why? Innocent until proven guilty is the protection anyone has in our court system. The fact that many have placed guilt upon him without any facts or a jury decision to this point shouldn't have any bearing on his status. Suspension with pay however, if that is what you meant, could be a reasonable option, and is common practice in other professions.

Using myself for an example, if I was arrested for something and my personal time off covered anything I needed to handle with the courts etc, then my employer wouldn't even know i was being charged with anything.
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You are using what the law should do and what companies/corporations should do and trying to compare them. It's two totally different arguments.

You have a very lenient employer. To use an example that I just had to deal with at my work is an employee was under investigation for child sexual interference. The company upholding they values that they hold dearly decided that this employee was not the type of character they wanted around thus I let him go. It is a moral code that more people should adhere to. In the end he pleaded guilty and is now in Edmonton serving time. As the management team had discussed even if he was found not guilty if it went to court none of us felt like we would have lost sleep over letting him go.

I don't understand how hard it is for these teams to say "Hey what is best for everyone is for you to stay at home get your situation dealt with and when the time is right and the air is cleared you will be welcomed back"

We all know it's about the $ and teams only care about winning but it must be tough to sleep at night with that weighing on your conscience.
 
It could also be an example of reaching. If indeed it was tampered with then Kane's a straight up evil human being. Assuming the allegations are true that is.
 
99wgretzky99 said:
It could also be an example of reaching. If indeed it was tampered with then Kane's a straight up evil human being. Assuming the allegations are true that is.
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Well that's the thing in this part of the case--I don't think Kane himself would have any possible way to access that evidence. It would have to be someone from the police department. Some crazed fan who thinks he's doing his favourite player a favour. I honestly don't know.
 

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