Shill (bidding up/setting a reserve) on your own card?

[juliangen]

Wow jibron is a shiller that's pretty funny
I got an absolute thievery from him on a misspelled auction about a year ago
Talk about karma lol

 

[canucksfan77]

No offense, but considering HI has booted a number of people for simply disagreeing with the wrong people, that doesn't hold water. This is a hobby and should be fun. The second it is not fun anymore, is when you stop. No where have I said I support, or agree with shill bidding. I just said its nothing to get all bent out of shape over, considering if you fall victim to it, you have no one to blame but yourself, since you and only you are the one who entered the bid.

You should just go back to beckett or scf. Ciao

 

[JohnnyDrama]

You should just go back to beckett or scf. Ciao

We need a "like" button similar to Facebook. :beer:

 

[MTO4LIFE]

Thanks for all the comments and opinions everyone. Just so its clear I have no interest in reacquiring the card. If I wanted it, I never would have parted with it.

I just observed the auction and seeing who listed it concerned me. I would actually never call them out in public at a show. I wouldn't actually do that as no hard proof. Its merely my observation with my own eyes at shows and on the bay. It just rubs me the wrong way as if you want a certain amount use a BIN... or a real reserve not your friends bidding. Don't list it at an auction starting at 99 cents if your afraid you might get only $.99 or $129.95 or what ever someone will pay... when you want $300 or more.

Also it has come to my attention the the second owner(me being the 1st owner) hasn't even received their end in a deal with the 3rd owner. Yet card is listed on the bay by a 4th party.

 

[hockeynet66]

You should just go back to beckett or scf. Ciao

And see comments (or trolling depending on who youre cool with) like this and several others is how it starts. A difference in opinion is met with insults, and snide remarks from the "protected". Then when I respond, more pile on, and then in come the powers that be with the suspension/bans. All I did was bring up a point, a valid one, one that has been recognized but not only other people in the hobby community, but also several even on this site, in this thread.

 

[kmitchel]

And see comments (or trolling depending on who youre cool with) like this and several others is how it starts. A difference in opinion is met with insults, and snide remarks from the "protected". Then when I respond, more pile on, and then in come the powers that be with the suspension/bans. All I did was bring up a point, a valid one, one that has been recognized but not only other people in the hobby community, but also several even on this site, in this thread.

Okay, let's try and clear this up - specifically, what's your point re: shilling.

Is it that it happens? Well yes. That's not a debate.

Is it that because it happens and I was willing to pay more, I should bend over and take it? Well no, just because I'm willing to pay more doesn't mean that I should. If the seller wants to list it as a BIN or Best Offer and pay the extra for that, he's welcome to do so - but when he (or a third party) pushes the bid up against himself, that's not fair to the buyers.

 

[paulxing]

Also it has come to my attention the the second owner(me being the 1st owner) hasn't even received their end in a deal with the 3rd owner. Yet card is listed on the bay by a 4th party.

That's just stupid. Why people do these things baffles me. It's like that guy who bought boxes frm Clouts n Chara and never paid. Protect yourselves people!

 

[Funkmobile]

I don't know about you guys but I'm seeing more and more opening shilling on a lot of auctions in the past 3 or 4 months. Also I'm seeing a lot more sellers use the private auction listing option for what I assume is to hide shilling. Those private auction listed cards usually end way higher than they normally do. Bottom line, do your homework first before bidding.

 

[timber09]

Is there supposed to be a legitimate arguement for the business practice of shill bidding in here? Amazing.

Next up on the agena "How Fake Patching Gets Us All Nicer Cards"

 

[hockeynet66]

Okay, let's try and clear this up - specifically, what's your point re: shilling.

Is it that it happens? Well yes. That's not a debate.

Is it that because it happens and I was willing to pay more, I should bend over and take it? Well no, just because I'm willing to pay more doesn't mean that I should. If the seller wants to list it as a BIN or Best Offer and pay the extra for that, he's welcome to do so - but when he (or a third party) pushes the bid up against himself, that's not fair to the buyers.

My point is that you (the bidder) should be comfortable paying whatever your max bid is for the card. When I bid, I expect to pay close to my max bid, anything less is considered a bonus. You can't complain about paying an amount you typed into your computer.

Shilling also occurs with buy it knows with several sellers. An item is put up, sold quickly at a very high BIN, and then listed shortly after at the same or slightly lower price hoping to get someone to jump the gun because it apparently "just sold" at a higher price. There are different ways people shill bid.

Bottom line, you are responsible for your bids.

 

[DogfoodSoup]

My point is that you (the bidder) should be comfortable paying whatever your max bid is for the card. When I bid, I expect to pay close to my max bid, anything less is considered a bonus. You can't complain about paying an amount you typed into your computer.

Shilling also occurs with buy it knows with several sellers. An item is put up, sold quickly at a very high BIN, and then listed shortly after at the same or slightly lower price hoping to get someone to jump the gun because it apparently "just sold" at a higher price. There are different ways people shill bid.

Bottom line, you are responsible for your bids.

So it's the buyers fault that two other people conspired to defraud them out of more money than they would have otherwise spent had the two other people not taken the action to run up the price?

 

[timber09]

Bottom line, you are responsible for your bids.

And the inverse is also true - that one is also responsible for their selling practices. If you find it a valid way to get more out of your cards and are willing to rip people off in this fashion then please send over your ebay ID so I can avoid you in futher transactions. If you are simply making an observation of something that happens on the marketplace that is eBay, fine - let me know of the sellers that do this so that I may avoid them as well.

Saying that it happens out there so it must be OK is completely irresponsible. There are people at card shows that have their friends come up and enter into negotiations as well just to drive the price up - as happens on a douchey used car lot - doesn't make it legal, right or an acceptable business practice in my book.

 

[sharks4life12]

good news!! according to the logic given on shilling in this thread, drivers can now mow
down cyclists on the road as they please. it's the cyclists fault because if they didn't want to get run over, they
shouldn't have been on the road....

 

[kmitchel]

My point is that you (the bidder) should be comfortable paying whatever your max bid is for the card. When I bid, I expect to pay close to my max bid, anything less is considered a bonus. You can't complain about paying an amount you typed into your computer.

Shilling also occurs with buy it knows with several sellers. An item is put up, sold quickly at a very high BIN, and then listed shortly after at the same or slightly lower price hoping to get someone to jump the gun because it apparently "just sold" at a higher price. There are different ways people shill bid.

Bottom line, you are responsible for your bids.

I am comfortable paying my max bid, however when the seller artificially inflates what it comes to, well I do have a problem with that. If another "bidding foe" comes along and pushed my bid from $4 to $10, so be it - that's the going rate - but when the seller pushes it, that's not right and that's why eBay has rules against it.

Kevin

 

[hederman]

My point is that you (the bidder) should be comfortable paying whatever your max bid is for the card. When I bid, I expect to pay close to my max bid, anything less is considered a bonus. You can't complain about paying an amount you typed into your computer.

Shilling also occurs with buy it knows with several sellers. An item is put up, sold quickly at a very high BIN, and then listed shortly after at the same or slightly lower price hoping to get someone to jump the gun because it apparently "just sold" at a higher price. There are different ways people shill bid.

Bottom line, you are responsible for your bids.

Am I comfortable paying my max bid in a fair auction, yes. Do I like paying my max bid when the seller is a greedy SOB, hell no! I'm starting to think you can't tell the difference between the two.

 

[PenaltyMan]

Don't let it bother you that much. People can be so dramatic with this shill bidding/whatever you call it thing. Its the same as setting a reserve price. Enough with this "its making people pay more than their willing to" bs. No one puts a gun to anyones head saying "ENTER MORE!!". you put in the maximum amount you are WILLING TO PAY, and if thats good enough you get the card. No one should be complaining about paying "X" number of $ for a card when they themselves control the amount in which they bid. If no one goes over the top, then the seller keeps the card and makes no money, if he sells it, its cause someone agreed to pay that amount.

Shilling is as American as apple pie or no-bid contracts! wned:

 

[canucksfan77]

And see comments (or trolling depending on who youre cool with) like this and several others is how it starts. A difference in opinion is met with insults, and snide remarks from the "protected". Then when I respond, more pile on, and then in come the powers that be with the suspension/bans. All I did was bring up a point, a valid one, one that has been recognized but not only other people in the hobby community, but also several even on this site, in this thread.

First off, the comment was not snide. Also i fail to see where i was being insulting. It was in reaction to a 'new member' trying to defend shill bidding or the practice of shilling, or were you trying to infer as buyers, we should not have a problem being shilled because our max bid may be higher than the shill, either way your argument is flawed.

YOUR WORDS ----> I just said its nothing to get all bent out of shape over, considering if you fall victim to it, you have no one to blame but yourself, since you and only you are the one who entered the bid.

Actually your wrong, its not our fault. When we bid on an auction item, we are supposed to bid against other buyers, not the seller. If the seller is involved by bidding or getting friends to bid its fraudulent, thats the reason its against ebay's tos.

Let me be absolutely clear:

RIPPING PEOPLE OFF IS NOT COOL AROUND HERE


As an aside,

Im not "protected", im the protector.

If you think that the HI community is going to back you or any of your ideas your crazy.

We are a small and close knit community. We stick up for the same ideal's, thats why you have 4 pages of responses from the 'protected' telling you the same.

Get in where you fit in or get out.

JZ

 

[forum_ghost]

ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND down comes the banhammer.

 

[DogfoodSoup]

Next!

 

[JohnnyDrama]

good news!! according to the logic given on shilling in this thread, drivers can now mow
down cyclists on the road as they please. it's the cyclists fault because if they didn't want to get run over, they
shouldn't have been on the road....

I'd be fine with this, actually.