This hobby is not environmentally friendly

Don't visit the production facility...if you see how much foils, cardboard, and paper is wasted, you'd be shocked....
 
some of you people should read a book and not believe everything you see on TV. sure we can't argue the fact the world is warming up but read the history from the last 2-3000 years and you'll see civilizations were wiped out because of EXTREME WEATHER CHANGES ie. the Mayans , aztecs and then there's the dinosaurs I think the sad part is that we live in a day and age where there's so much information and yet some of you still believe what the government tells you does this mean they're telling us the truth about UFO's, JFK I'm sorry but the government has a strong history of lying to its people especially the US gov't check the history and it becomes pretty clear that this is a cycle the earth has gone threw many times before. The gov't want us to think that this end of the world stuff that 's just there way of keeping us inline . Another lie to keep the herd united. It worked for the catholics so well 2000 yrs why not try it again. puppets people that's all we are.
 
This entire argument spans the range of pollution to wastfulness to global warming.
It's getting ridiculous.

I am a 30-year-career geologist. I have studied climate through the 650 Million years of post-PreCambrian time.

And I can say unashamedly, I believe this whole anthropogenic (this means "man-made") global-warming philosophy is utter cr*p. It is now a religion of global proportions. And the guys getting rich off this are the Al Gores and David Suzukis and Greenpeaces of the world who are the new Fascists, believing anyone who disagrees should be imprisoned.

But, that's an argument for another day, over beers, ending up in no one agreeing anyway because you either buy into the rhetoric and become a believer, or you actually study the science and question the things you hear.

The valid point that Joey makes is the watefulness of our entire manufacturing process. Pollution definitely IS something we can control.
Also his point that if everyone does their part, it WILL make a difference.

So the answer?
Buy less product with wasteful packaging.
Write the manufacturer with your thoughts.
Support local pollution initiatives.

But don't lose sight of the fact that a hobby like this not only produces too much packaging, but also that the guys whose photos are on the cards fly millions of cumulative of miles a year to play silly games, the card reps fly many miles and spend a ton-o-dough to attend trade shows and conventions, and we do as well whether by air, car, or public transit.

I applaud you for your attention to this issue, but it such a bigger issue than packaging.

Michael.
 
The Big M said:
So the answer?
Buy less product with wasteful packaging.
Write the manufacturer with your thoughts.
Support local pollution initiatives.

But don't lose sight of the fact that a hobby like this not only produces too much packaging, but also that the guys whose photos are on the cards fly millions of cumulative of miles a year to play silly games, the card reps fly many miles and spend a ton-o-dough to attend trade shows and conventions, and we do as well whether by air, car, or public transit.

I applaud you for your attention to this issue, but it such a bigger issue than packaging.

Michael.
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Thats also a good point, not to mention the amount of jerseys used per season (82+ per player?)
 
^ not in hockey,
hockey players use, i'd say, at most 20.

Basketball I think they use a new one every night, not hockey, or baseball.
 
Have we brought card condition into this yet? With so many threads and complaints about factory or shipping damage it walks a fine line between keeping each pack in a secure container and wrapping cards in tissue paper. I think alot of packing is based on product perception. Sometimes the smaller the box the impression is has less valued content. Big gaudy packaging implies big stellar pulls and well preserved cards (we all know that is not necessarily the case).

I think global impact of packaging would fall pretty far down the list of priorities for these firms.
 
don't even get me started with Superlative (what kind of ratio is a bible compared to a pack of cards, so wasteful).
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Superlative pretty much puts a cases worth of hits on one pack that most people wouldn't just throw in the trash, It pretty much has no waste.

the Al Gores and David Suzukis and Greenpeaces of the world who are the new Fascists
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Are you kidding me? Fascists? What have you been smokin'? Must be some seriously good stuff if you think David Suzuki is a fascist!
 
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maybe the thread should be put into a different view, lets forget about the Al Gores, the global warming and the like.

The main issue is the waste (whether it affects our beliefs or not); I think that eliminates the "political" views of the earth.
 
Ya your right well how's this instead of plastic wrappers use recycled paper instead of Styrofoam use a piece of recycled card board then everything is recyclable these are easy fixes I think maybe the question we should be asking is why UD insists on using non-recyclable means for packaging
 
isn't there some sort of paper material they could use to package the packs :crazy:

oh and a stupid example of the styrofoam is this year's UD Spectrum (baseball.. trying to drive this towards other sports too), a freakin cube at the bottom of the box to fill up the box because they wanted the box to be a TV...
 
Honestly, isn't every hobby wasteful? How about Matchbox cars, Legos, or children's dolls? Every hobby wastes some resources. Everything we do wastes some resources. The fact that I am online right now is wasting electricity.

While it can reduced, I see this as a non-issue because it happens everyday to everyone.
 
cmacinnis said:
Superlative pretty much puts a cases worth of hits on one pack that most people wouldn't just throw in the trash, It pretty much has no waste.



Are you kidding me? Fascists? What have you been smokin'? Must be some seriously good stuff if you think David Suzuki is a fascist!
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Ahhh, you're from Canada's Left Coast... :rolleyes:

First of all, I don't smoke anything, and I have been a student and lecturer of this topic for many years.

Amongst the many different definitions of fascism you'll find that " It provides legal justification for persecuting a specific segment of the population ", and " Hate: Pronounced, perpetuated and accepted public disdain of a specific group defined by race, origin, theology or association. "

David Suzuki, a man I used to admire when I was younger, has specifically stated that anyone who dosen't agree with the science of Global Warming should be thrown in jail. That's sheer and utter Fascism. (See above)

In other words, if you don't believe in what he believes, you should be put away..... hmmmmm.

Here are a few links into the mind of this guy...

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstar....html?id=44aad456-a874-45de-82b5-51c78f755ff6

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3195

So, it doesn't matter if you're left-wing (Suzuki) or right-wing (Beck) in your political ideology, you can still have a fascist mentality toward those who disagree with you. In Suzuki's and Gore's world, one is not allowed to have a differing opinion.

Don't confuse the kind of Fascism we saw in the 1930's and 1940's with what I'm saying here.

Anyway, this is a little off-topic, and deserves those beers and a loud bar to get into fully, and we're still not going to agree, but that's the joys of opinion, and the fun of seeing how everyone else thinks.

Still, the original thread by Joey was a good one and brings us all to thinking about our impact.

Michael.
 
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Agreed on the point that there is absolutely no reason the product base board and packaging couldn't be made of 100 recycled products that are in turn 100% recyclable.

Now getting everyone to participate in the process...well, that's why ultimately humanity is doomed. The few that won't...regardless of how easy it's made.
 
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I think its blatantly obvious that the world is under a crisis right now where we are running out of resources and are getting closer and closer everyday to global warming.

The hobby is so wasteful, wrappers to wrap packs, boxes to box the packs, sometimes a styrofoam at the bottom of the box to fill up space, and then another plastic wrap to wrap the box (not to mention the piece of foil tape to seal the box)

If we get to high end products, like Ultimate, you double the amount I stated above; with the Cup its even more, and don't even get me started with Superlative (what kind of ratio is a bible compared to a pack of cards, so wasteful).

Seriously, we always complain about how if the card companies reduce their packaging, we would save alot of money. (I.e if the cup didn't have that stupid tin, it would cost us less).

But what about the world? its so wasteful to produce so much packaging when we as collectors end up throwing it all out. Card companies need to realize that not only we, as collectors, save money, but by reducing packaging, they help contribute to the world. Kill two birds with one stone, agree?
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Seems a bit ridiculous to me. Nowadays everyone is jumping on the "enviro-bandwagon." :beer:

Although this amounts to common sense. Some so-called "card waste" could easily be recycled, utilizing the current recycling programs in most communities accross NA. Card board boxes, metal tins, paper, etc., could be recycled. However, if people can barely discipline themselves to recycle their pop bottles and cans, getting them to do any of the above will be near impossible. Maybe David Suzuki should start canvassing or something.:|
 

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