Vegas Expansion Draft "Leaks" (Don't open if you don't wanna know)

MMarch said:
Yeah, Connor Murphy is a fine defenseman, I actually like him a lot, but he makes just a bit less than Jammer so I don't get it. I know Seabrook and Keith get all the love but Jammer is their best true defenseman and it's not even close. There must be something else going on that we don't know yet, I know the Hawks said they are going to make a splash during the draft in their own barn but so far this is a dud.
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Not to make your bad dream worse but Artemi Panarin is on the move now too....
 
MMarch said:
Yeah, Connor Murphy is a fine defenseman, I actually like him a lot, but he makes just a bit less than Jammer so I don't get it. I know Seabrook and Keith get all the love but Jammer is their best true defenseman and it's not even close. There must be something else going on that we don't know yet, I know the Hawks said they are going to make a splash during the draft in their own barn but so far this is a dud.
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Murphy is signed for longer term - whereas Hjalmarsson has two years left and probably due for another raise. Plus Murphy's upside given his age.

Also seeing Kane and Toews made it known how much they missed Saad - with him signed for longer and not having to deal with renegotiating with Panarin - it makes sense.

Maybe they're good for next year, but two years out - those two trades make more sense for the predictibility of their cap situation
 
I was in the "this team might be good enough for the playoffs this year or next" camp, but critical that they were aiming for such early success after what happened with Florida 20 years ago. They paid a huge fee and the NHL gave them every opportunity to assemble a team that could compete. McPhee extracted every advantage possible with the options given, including room to breathe (see Vadim Shipachyov, and the goalie carousel from injuries).

I'm interested in seeing how this affects the NHL's approach with Seattle. With Vegas, giving them so much from go, and giving them the chance to succeed was "good for the game" - especially with the very unfortunate coincidence of the attacks just before the season opened. But is it good for the game if Seattle receives the same treatment?

With 4 teams left, and about a 8-10% chance that the Knights win the Cup, are we celebrating the achievement of an expansion team, or are we looking at what went wrong that allowed them to be so successful in their inaugural season?
 
Seattle isn't paying $500 million for an expansion team unless the NHL proceeds the same way. And yes, it is good for the game, at least Gary Bettmans "Everyone is a winner and the playoff teams are decided the last day of the regular season."

I doubt the Seattle group could replicate the success Vegas had though - the other teams are more aware of the process, the best value deals are already in Vegas and finding that perfect management and coaching group will be hard.

Cory
 
will-411 said:
I doubt the Seattle group could replicate the success Vegas had though - the other teams are more aware of the process, the best value deals are already in Vegas and finding that perfect management and coaching group will be hard.

Cory
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I agree. The other teams are going to be smarter this time around.
 
Smarter...... ?
Not likely.

1) Some teams will still be in salary cap hell.
2) Some teams will still be stuck with very good players that have become too expensive for their production.
3) Some teams will be looking to reboot and as such will make a trade for draft picks.

If the script follows this year - only allowing teams to protect basically 10 players and a goalie - there will be some very good players available for the next go-round.
 
suitman19 said:
Smarter...... ?
Not likely.

1) Some teams will still be in salary cap hell.
2) Some teams will still be stuck with very good players that have become too expensive for their production.
3) Some teams will be looking to reboot and as such will make a trade for draft picks.

If the script follows this year - only allowing teams to protect basically 10 players and a goalie - there will be some very good players available for the next go-round.
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This. Vegas provided a model. Seattle put up the same money. Teams didn't suddenly get less deep, and a year of anticipating didn't make a great deal of difference in signing players.

Teams weren't dumb for who they gave up. Most of them tried to be smart, frankly, and offer deals to get certainty and maintain control over who would be picked. I don't see the Penguins as dumb for exposing Fleury, a potential Conn Smythe winner, for example.

Part of the success Vegas has had is in the lack of expectations. They had nothing to lose. They could have been dead last in the Pacific and no one would have blinked. That freedom is what enabled a lot of these players to have breakout seasons.

-m.
 
suitman19 said:
Smarter...... ?
Not likely.

1) Some teams will still be in salary cap hell.
2) Some teams will still be stuck with very good players that have become too expensive for their production.
3) Some teams will be looking to reboot and as such will make a trade for draft picks.

If the script follows this year - only allowing teams to protect basically 10 players and a goalie - there will be some very good players available for the next go-round.
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100% Agree, Most teams do it to benefit themselves, I don't think too many teams/managers were thinking that they are giving up a piece that will make Vegas a Contender..Karlsson, Fleury, Marchessault, Perron & Smith . You look a dumping salary, dumping age, dumping pieces that don't fit your system and somehow McPhee and Gallant have made the most of it. The team plays exceedingly well together, seems to be little to no drama, and for the most part the team, excluding the goal-tending has been close to injury proof.



The Likelihood of Seattle mimicking what Vegas did is slim to none, but don't hold your breathe. Especially when you get to pick between 100-200 Players to build a team from, a smart manager could pull it off once again.
 
coderedxm said:
The team plays exceedingly well together, seems to be little to no drama, and for the most part the team, excluding the goal-tending has been close to injury proof..
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Give a ton of credit to Gallant - he was EXACTLY the kind of coach VGK needed.
He doesn't play games - he is out front in dealing with players and he was/is a tough guy.

No one could question his place as a player and that makes a huge difference to the locker room. He was around for the 'Dead Wings' and saw them make the moves (including himself!) to become good again .
 
suitman19 said:
Give a ton of credit to Gallant - he was EXACTLY the kind of coach VGK needed.
He doesn't play games - he is out front in dealing with players and he was/is a tough guy.
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He does have an amazing knack for taking mediocre teams and making them competitive. Taking a look at the roster now, without the success of this year informing it, how is this a team that's 7 wins from a Cup?

Given that they had their GM and coach before they had their roster, I'm hoping he's found a home for quite a few years, the way Poile/Trotz ran the Predators for so long.
 

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