trade deadline just got more interestin, Rick Nash available

[slckrsx]

CBJ want Gardner and the Leafs would be stupid, very stupid, to give him up. Him and Gunersson have been the two best defensemen and Gardner is going to be a top two d-man on this team for many years to come and is only going to get better as he gets older.

If CBJ are insistant on Gardner, Kessel, or Lupul the Leafs should walk away and try to get better in the offseason.

Nobody is going to give Columbus what they want for Nash

 

[27Leafs27]

I like Nash but anyone that is willing to give up a star, 2 high prospects and a 1st overall pick for Nash is nuts.


I agree 100% with this statement.
Dan.

 

[CGS28]

I like Nash but anyone that is willing to give up a star, 2 high prospects and a 1st overall pick for Nash is nuts.


I agree 100% with this statement.
Dan.

I am hoping that no one will give up that much and he sticks around... would be nice to really know whats going on behind the scenes, has he asked to be traded or did they approach him?

 

[newfiecomicguy1]

I bet they asked him if he would consider taking a trade. They probably approached him with "this might be best for both parties...."

I am hoping that no one will give up that much and he sticks around... would be nice to really know whats going on behind the scenes, has he asked to be traded or did they approach him?

 

[Orca Pod]

Depends who is looking and what they are looking for. Right now Kessel is playing better than Nash. Obviously the team giving up a player is going to be a mid tier player, Nash really hasn't been that great over the past few seasons. No team is going to give up a Sedin or Toews type impact player and all those prospects and a 1st overall DP. Nash really is not that good right now. He might get a star for a star without all the add ons. IMO a Garbovski type player is as good as he is going to get if he also wants all the rest of the requirements. Anyone who watches the Leafs knows that Garbo is a mid teir impact player. Star no but he is certainly a solid all around player that many GMs would like.

I like Nash but anyone that is willing to give up a star, 2 high prospects and a 1st overall pick for Nash is nuts.

Last 3 years (including this year)
Nash
GP G A Pts
59 19 21 40
75 32 34 66
76 33 34 67

Kessel
59 30 33 63
82 32 32 64
70 30 25 55

Garbo
53 18 21 39
81 29 29 58
59 10 25 35

Right. Becasue goals and assists are the ONLY way to guage a player's ability...



If Brian Burke could convince Howson to take Garbo (or Kessel for that matter) as the 'IMPACT' player, then he deserves to be put on that pedestal that so many Leaf fans already have him on.

It would be the equivalent of statutory rape.

 

[99goals]

Right. Becasue goals and assists are the ONLY way to guage a player's ability...



If Brian Burke could convince Howson to take Garbo (or Kessel for that matter) as the 'IMPACT' player, then he deserves to be put on that pedestal that so many Leaf fans already have him on.

It would be the equivalent of statutory rape.

HAHAHAHAAH.. Well Burke did get Calgary pretty good, but not sure what legal category that would fall under? Aggravated Assault?

Nash is a franchise player, they need close to that coming back. I suspect if the leafs go for him, we are going to have a LOT of "Sudden-to-near-impact" players going to Columbus including my fav Grabbo and Schenn.

 

[gretzky99]

latest Kings rumor is Bernier/Johnson/Loktionov for Nash. if this happens i will be looking for a new team.

 

[99goals]

latest Kings rumor is Bernier/Johnson/Loktionov for Nash. if this happens i will be looking for a new team.

Really? I'd think that's a steal of a deal for LA if you want my 2 cents. I'd gladly go that route. That;s one powerhouse of a team in the making if he goes West.

 

[frankiefives]

No GM will be giving up what the Jackets are asking for right now. Nash is No Crosby or Malkin. I think GMs would be willing to give one roster player, a prospect and a first round pick. Examples:

NYR: Dubinsky, Kreider, 1st rounder
LA: J Johnson, Bernier, 1st rounder (after they deal Penner somewhere else)
Phi: Bobrovsky, Schenn or JVR, 1st rounder (they would obviously need to shed salary as well)
SJ: Pavelski, Greiss, 1st rounder

If Howson does not bring his asking price down, Nash will be staying in Columbus

 

[gretzky99]

Really? I'd think that's a steal of a deal for LA if you want my 2 cents. I'd gladly go that route. That;s one powerhouse of a team in the making if he goes West.

why? what has Rick Nash done to warrant a potential #1 goalie, a top pairing d-man and a potential #2 center plus paying him $7.8M?

if Nash was paid what he was worth then maybe you consider it. but he's got the 4th highest cap hit in the league. he is nowhere near the 4th best player in the league.

 

[gretzky99]

No GM will be giving up what the Jackets are asking for right now. Nash is No Crosby or Malkin. I think GMs would be willing to give one roster player, a prospect and a first round pick. Examples:

NYR: Dubinsky, Kreider, 1st rounder
LA: J Johnson, Bernier, 1st rounder (after they deal Penner somewhere else)
Phi: Bobrovsky, Schenn or JVR, 1st rounder (they would obviously need to shed salary as well)
SJ: Pavelski, Greiss, 1st rounder

If Howson does not bring his asking price down, Nash will be staying in Columbus

i wouldn't give up that much for Nash.

 

[99goals]

why? what has Rick Nash done to warrant a potential #1 goalie, a top pairing d-man and a potential #2 center plus paying him $7.8M?

if Nash was paid what he was worth then maybe you consider it. but he's got the 4th highest cap hit in the league. he is nowhere near the 4th best player in the league.

i am willing to bet that with the players he can play with in LA he would be a power house. Think of the possibilities?

 

[frankiefives]

i wouldn't give up that much for Nash.

Maybe you wouldn't but I'm not sure DL would say no

 

[plubers]

why? what has Rick Nash done to warrant a potential #1 goalie, a top pairing d-man and a potential #2 center plus paying him $7.8M?

if Nash was paid what he was worth then maybe you consider it. but he's got the 4th highest cap hit in the league. he is nowhere near the 4th best player in the league.

I think the deal is awesome. We get rid of a dman that can't play defense. voynov is very close to being JJ already and he is just a rookie. Loktionov isn't anything special and Bernier is over rated. Do it Deno!

 

[richkulach]

If Howson does not bring his asking price down, Nash will be staying in Columbus

Increase the asking price, stat!!

Rich

 

[gretzky99]

Johnson is a top pairing d-man. he has been far better than Doughty this year. his contract is fantastic.
Bernier is a first round pick that has played very well in limited time. he could easily be a #1 in the league with a little more experience.
Loktionov is a future #2 center. lots of skill and still 21.

you don't trade that kind of talent at that young age for a 28-year-old guy with a horrible contract that has scored 40 goals exactly twice in his career on a perennial loser.

if you wouldn't pay Kovalchuk $6M/year, why pay Nash almost $8M/year?

 

[timber09]

I actually can't understand why either team would do that deal - which means it will probably happen.

Where did this rumor come from?

 

[newfiecomicguy1]

Should we judge it on cups? How many of those do Nash have? What should we judge it on? I find it hard to find anything that Nash has done over the past 3 years to put his value as high as it is.

Just saying Kessel has produced on a bad team just as well as Nash has on a bad team. What have Nash done that is so much better? It don't matter anyhow, there is so much hate on here towards the Leafs that any leaf is garbage, overrated etc even when they produce just as well. Kessel has produced just as well as Nash and at a younger age. Yet the Leafs don't have any 2 prospect or any players to offer!!! For the past 3 years Kessel has produced as good or better than Nash.....just saying. His individual stats are as good (actually better) and neither player is getting their team anywhere. Come on tell me that Nash is on a worse team over the past 3 years I dare ya because according to 90% of the comments here there is no team worse then the leafs. Apparently the Leafs are the worst team but I guess thats only when it helps.

I do think Nash is a star but right now he is overrated and an underachiever. I would love him in a Leaf uniform with hopes of him returning to his old ways but not if it means giving up what the Jackets want...no thanks. I will gladly watch the Leafs with the garbage core they already have. I am excited about the leafs young players even if every other non leaf fan thinks they have nothing.

If you think that the Jackets are stupid to take Kessel, 2 prospects (Gardiner, Colbourne, Schenn, Frattin) and first round pick for Nash than you really don't know hockey. The Jackets will not get what they are asking. They will likely get a star player and a draft pick or a couple semi stars and a late dp. No team is going to give up a star 2 of their best prospects and a 1st DP for Nash.

Right. Becasue goals and assists are the ONLY way to guage a player's ability...



If Brian Burke could convince Howson to take Garbo (or Kessel for that matter) as the 'IMPACT' player, then he deserves to be put on that pedestal that so many Leaf fans already have him on.

It would be the equivalent of statutory rape.

 

[99goals]

Johnson is a top pairing d-man. he has been far better than Doughty this year. his contract is fantastic.
Bernier is a first round pick that has played very well in limited time. he could easily be a #1 in the league with a little more experience.
Loktionov is a future #2 center. lots of skill and still 21.

you don't trade that kind of talent at that young age for a 28-year-old guy with a horrible contract that has scored 40 goals exactly twice in his career on a perennial loser.

if you wouldn't pay Kovalchuk $6M/year, why pay Nash almost $8M/year?

The way I look at it is prolly diff than most people. It's not my money so I am not looking at the contract amounts. I am just looking at the player. I don't bother relating to the contracts because they don't come out my pocket.

I also don't look at just points either because there is more to that player. Look at Glen Anderson. His playoff performances far outweighed his regular season contributions. Nash hasn't really had a playoff to consider in years, and I think his skill set is better than the players mentioned, mind you they are young.

Also even if he is 28, he has 3 good years left in him, I think. I don't think he has had any major injuries (knock on wood) and should be in tip top shape.

LA has wiggle room and you have to give up something to get something.

Anyways I will let others chime in. I am not saying my opinion is correct.

I struggle with what the Leafs would have to give up but I know our team isn't going to go far in the playoffs they way they are now. LA however can do much more than the Leafs.

 

[gretzky99]

The way I look at it is prolly diff than most people. It's not my money so I am not looking at the contract amounts. I am just looking at the player. I don't bother relating to the contracts because they don't come out my pocket.

I also don't look at just points either because there is more to that player. Look at Glen Anderson. His playoff performances far outweighed his regular season contributions. Nash hasn't really had a playoff to consider in years, and I think his skill set is better than the players mentioned, mind you they are young.

Also even if he is 28, he has 3 good years left in him, I think. I don't think he has had any major injuries (knock on wood) and should be in tip top shape.

LA has wiggle room and you have to give up something to get something.

Anyways I will let others chime in. I am not saying my opinion is correct.

I struggle with what the Leafs would have to give up but I know our team isn't going to go far in the playoffs they way they are now. LA however can do much more than the Leafs.

i agree, i think Nash has about 3 more good years in him. the problem is he has 7 more years on his crazy contract.

the Kings are not good enough right now to make this deal. Nash does not make them a true contender. you don't give up your future unless it's going to give you a real shot at a Cup.