trade deadline just got more interestin, Rick Nash available

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well what else would the Leafs offer? Frattin?

I don't understand why it's so surprising that Kadri and Schenn are in trade proposals. It's those players that other teams would want in return. I don't see Grabovski, Lupul, Kessel, Bozak, Kulemin, MacArthur, Phaneuf, Liles, Gustavsson, Reimer getting much interest from other GMs.

Kadri and Schenn are former top 10 1st round picks and are still young. So it would make sense that a team like CBJ looking to rebuild would be interested in these players. Even more so, since it is rumoured that the Leafs are one of the teams that Nash is willing to go to.

Deals for proven NHLers are usually a young top 6 forward, a top end prospect, and a current NHL 2nd/3rd line player. (Mike Richards, Jeff Carter). Or 2 first round picks (Kessel).

Other than Nash, I don't know how serious the rumours were for Perry and JVR. I think those were more of people reading into what other GMs would be looking for.
 
The curious thing about NJ is that the owner is losing tons of money, and they've missed some interest payments. The debt that they have is more than what the team is worth. So there's some doubt whether Parise will be signed long term for big money like Kovalchuk. It could be an ownership decision not to sign Parise so it could be possible that Parise is on the move.
 
tiger tiger said:
The curious thing about NJ is that the owner is losing tons of money, and they've missed some interest payments. The debt that they have is more than what the team is worth. So there's some doubt whether Parise will be signed long term for big money like Kovalchuk. It could be an ownership decision not to sign Parise so it could be possible that Parise is on the move.
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Sounds good to me.

I had a deal worked out where LA got both Nash and Carter and fit them under the cap by sending back enough salary, most of it pending UFAs, plus some picks/prospects for taking that salary, along with what we would have to pay for them.

But I'd rather get ZP by himself than both those CBJ guys. LA would still have to do another deal, maybe for Carter for Stoll and JJ or something, but with ZP, LA can field three full lines (Richards anchoring 3rd line).

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The thing is where does Parise wants to play? A team could give him a long term contract so that the cap hit is much more palatable.

I'm not sure but is Parise currently playing on RW or C? I see him on box scores with Kovalchuk, but not sure if it's just PP or getting double shifted. Elias is supposed to be a LW too, so that's 3 LW.

If Parise is effective multi-positionally, then a lot of teams are going to be interested.

Hawks would love to have him playing with Kane, Toews, Sharp, Hossa. More US ties, Canucks with Kesler, Booth, Higgins or Sedins. Pens would love to get a elite scoring winger for Crosby/Malkin. NYR would have an all-star 1st line with Richards and Gaborik. Could Yzerman lure Parise to play with Stamkos and St. Louis? Imagine Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Parise on the PP. Plus a nice like with Kopitar, D.Brown too. Excellent mix of size, grit, speed, and skill.

Where ever Parise decides to go, I think that team will be legitimately a contender, especially if he goes to an already strong/deep team. Getting Parise via UFA free agency doesn't empty your cupboard, and if the GM is astute enough, the cap hit won't be terrible like Nash's.

The more I think about it, I don't think Nash will get moved at the trade deadline. If he does, it'll be a deal where CBJ totally gets ripped off.
 
Pens announcers just said there are Blue Jackets Reps at the game today to check out several of the Flyers young guns including Van Riemsdyk. Maybe a Bobrovsky/Van Riemsdyk deal is in the works?????
 
tiger tiger said:
The thing is where does Parise wants to play? A team could give him a long term contract so that the cap hit is much more palatable.

I'm not sure but is Parise currently playing on RW or C? I see him on box scores with Kovalchuk, but not sure if it's just PP or getting double shifted. Elias is supposed to be a LW too, so that's 3 LW.

If Parise is effective multi-positionally, then a lot of teams are going to be interested.

Hawks would love to have him playing with Kane. More US ties, Canucks with Kesler, Booth, Higgins. Pens would love to get a elite scoring winger for Crosby/Malkin. NYR would have an all-star 1st line with Richards and Gaborik. Could Yzerman lure Parise to play with Stamkos and St. Louis? Imagine Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Parise on the PP. Plus a nice like with Kopitar, D.Brown too. Excellent mix of size, grit, speed, and skill.

Where ever Parise decides to go, I think that team will be legitimately a contender, especially if he goes to an already strong/deep team. Getting Parise via UFA free agency doesn't empty your cupboard, and if the GM is astute enough, the cap hit won't be terrible like Nash's.

The more I think about it, I don't think Nash will get moved at the trade deadline. If he does, it'll be a deal where CBJ totally gets ripped off.
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I can see Ottawa taking a BIG run at Parise this offseason. We have an elite center in Spezza, a ton of cap space and a young up-and-coming team that could become a contender for years with the right pieces in place.
 
I think one of the Minny reporters were claiming that the Wild were going to offer him a big contract as well. Parise is from Minnesota but not a contending team yet. Would he take the money to play at home or would he possibly take a little less to play for a contender?
 
Next up in the Nash rumor merry-go-round are the Flyers apparently.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=6609

Sean Couturier and Brayden Schenn, and likely JVR and/or Bobrov.

The flyers have a good core of youth talent, but none of which are necessarily "core" to their success right now, so I might try to work something out here. Even JVR seems to have faded into the shadows with the emergence of guys like Giroux, Simmonds, and even Read, and the resurgence of guys like Jagr and Hartnell.



Then again you already have Voracek and tried the whole Zherdev thing, does Philly really want to be known as the backwash of Columbus the way the Rangers became the New York Oilers in the 90s???? (although it did bring us a cup)
 
Actually Garbo, Kulemin, MacArthur and Joey Colbourne are very interesting to alot of clubs. Not saying what they are willing to give up for them but teams are looking at them.

tiger tiger said:
well what else would the Leafs offer? Frattin?

I don't understand why it's so surprising that Kadri and Schenn are in trade proposals. It's those players that other teams would want in return. I don't see Grabovski, Lupul, Kessel, Bozak, Kulemin, MacArthur, Phaneuf, Liles, Gustavsson, Reimer getting much interest from other GMs.

Kadri and Schenn are former top 10 1st round picks and are still young. So it would make sense that a team like CBJ looking to rebuild would be interested in these players. Even more so, since it is rumoured that the Leafs are one of the teams that Nash is willing to go to.

Deals for proven NHLers are usually a young top 6 forward, a top end prospect, and a current NHL 2nd/3rd line player. (Mike Richards, Jeff Carter). Or 2 first round picks (Kessel).

Other than Nash, I don't know how serious the rumours were for Perry and JVR. I think those were more of people reading into what other GMs would be looking for.
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Friedman and Francis were saying during the intermission that Columbus asking price hasn't changed. A good young roster player, two top prospects, and a first round pick. Nobody is willing to pay that right now, which has led some team reps to say they don't believe he'll be moved.

It was also said that the team went to him asked him if he'd give them a list of teams that he would be willing to go to, he gave them a couple of teams, but if a different team offered CBJ a deal that they really liked they would go to Nash and ask him if he would be willing to go that team.

Also mentioned that if Nash doesn't get traded now, and the Blue Jackets clean house in the summer, the new management could very easily decide to keep him.
 
I agree too. 2 of the 3 is the most I'd give up.

The asking price is pretty steep.

What kills any deal is the cap hit. Most contending teams don't have that much room, so they would have to dump salaries before they could do anything.

Also, there will be debate about which player is a "young" NHL player. 19, 21, 23, 25? I'm sure CBJ will be leaning towards younger, whereas some teams may be looking to move an "older" young player to make cap room.
 
Philly reported that they wanted a current IMPACT player, 2 top prospects (of their choice) and a 1st round pick for Nash. Thats a high price. However I can see desperate teams like Toronto doing it.
 
newfiecomicguy1 said:
Philly reported that they wanted a current IMPACT player, 2 top prospects (of their choice) and a 1st round pick for Nash. Thats a high price. However I can see desperate teams like Toronto doing it.
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Who on Tornto would be considered a current IMPACT player, is my question.

Not trying to put down the Leafs at all, but in all seriousness, the only 'impact' player they have is Kessel, and even that is iffy. Besides, no way Burke gives up Kessel, especially after what he gave up to get him. Heck, Phaneuf isn't really what anyone would consider an 'impact' player.
 
i don't think Howson will trade Nash at the deadline. it's a no-win situation for Howson. he'll never get what he is asking for because it's far too high but he can't take less. he won't have any money in the offseason to improve the team because they are nearly to the max of the cap. if someone caves and gives you what you are asking for then you take it, but i don't think he should cave one bit.

get what you can for Carter (Bernier from the Kings if you can) and get out of that contract, fire Howson and have the new GM rebuild the relationship with Nash. let your UFAs walk, trade Mason and Brassard and play your kids. sign a cheap veteran backup goalie, let Bernier play 50 games, sign a few cheap vets and give your young kids important minutes from the start.

play Nail with Nash next year and see if the young kid can get Nash excited about playing in Columbus and give the kid a star vet to mentor him.
 
The only way Nash could go to philly is if CBJ took Barfgalov's contract the other way, but in my personal opinion, both Couturier and Schenn should be untouchable.
I'd say Toronto is the frontrunner. It could be a very good fit for both parties and might be a good face for HNIC.
 
Depends who is looking and what they are looking for. Right now Kessel is playing better than Nash. Obviously the team giving up a player is going to be a mid tier player, Nash really hasn't been that great over the past few seasons. No team is going to give up a Sedin or Toews type impact player and all those prospects and a 1st overall DP. Nash really is not that good right now. He might get a star for a star without all the add ons. IMO a Garbovski type player is as good as he is going to get if he also wants all the rest of the requirements. Anyone who watches the Leafs knows that Garbo is a mid teir impact player. Star no but he is certainly a solid all around player that many GMs would like.

I like Nash but anyone that is willing to give up a star, 2 high prospects and a 1st overall pick for Nash is nuts.

Last 3 years (including this year)
Nash
GP G A Pts
59 19 21 40
75 32 34 66
76 33 34 67

Kessel
59 30 33 63
82 32 32 64
70 30 25 55

Garbo
53 18 21 39
81 29 29 58
59 10 25 35

Orca Pod said:
Who on Tornto would be considered a current IMPACT player, is my question.

Not trying to put down the Leafs at all, but in all seriousness, the only 'impact' player they have is Kessel, and even that is iffy. Besides, no way Burke gives up Kessel, especially after what he gave up to get him. Heck, Phaneuf isn't really what anyone would consider an 'impact' player.
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