marvelman55
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see my other post. Hemsky will not be going anywhere.
Dany Heatley requests trade
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see my other post. Hemsky will not be going anywhere.
jasonspezza19
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yes marvelman I'm pretty sure that won't happen either but I'm just playing with the thought what would be a fair deal in the sistuation we have here.
I read what national post wrote:
"The list of who, potentially, could replace him in Ottawa is a long one.
Could it be defenceman Dion Phaneuf, Robyn Regehr and soon-to-be unrestricted free agent forward Mike Cammalleri of the Calgary Flames? "
Hmm that's more like it :laugh:
I read what national post wrote:
"The list of who, potentially, could replace him in Ottawa is a long one.
Could it be defenceman Dion Phaneuf, Robyn Regehr and soon-to-be unrestricted free agent forward Mike Cammalleri of the Calgary Flames? "
Hmm that's more like it :laugh:
wildfan1833
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Come on Wild Lets land him:dance:
frankiefives
Verified Trader,
No way this deal happens. Not only is it not enough for Heatley but to add Kelly as well? The key would be the pick. I'd say 1st rounder added, Nilsson removed and Kelly not in the mix and a deal could be done
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marvelman55
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The first rounder is probably going to be used to try to move up in the draft. I don't see the Oilers trading that pick unless its for a top three spot on draft day. I still think that whoever Heatley goes to will get a great deal. Why? First of all, its moving a huge contract in an era where cap space is a definite issue. Yes, its moving a huge player, but they will be filling wholes that they could not fill by any other means, and then go after someone like Cammalleri, who will be cheaper than Heatley. The offers that come in will not be as high as anyone here thinks, simply because Heatley has demanded this trade and tied the hands of Murray. Every team who wants him and has the cap space is going to make minimal offers that will fill Ottawa's holes.
frankiefives
Verified Trader,
While I totally understand your point, I have to disagree. Even though Heatley has demanded this trade, many teams with cap space will line up to get him. This is what will allow Murray to get what he feels is good value for Heater. 50 goal scorers don't grow on trees, after all. This story is only a day old and already I've heard Vancouver, Edmonton, San Jose, Tampa Bay and St Louis may be interested in his services. He can field offers from these teams, then compare each offer and choose what he wants. If a 1st rounder is not added in a deal, expect at least a top-notch prospect (ala Hodgson) to be along with a PP D-man and a top 6 forward
marvelman55
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If a top prospect is in need, the Oilers could send Jordan Eberle your way.
I do understand what you are saying regarding Heatley's value as well, but remember back to the Chris Pronger demand out of Edmonton. Every team was rumored to be after him, but no decent offers really came in. There were really only two solid offers that came Edmonton's way, and Florida walked away when Lowe tryed to get Nathan Horton included in the deal (rumors of course, but the offer appeared to be Mike van Ryn, Stephen Weiss, and a pick). Pronger after the 05/06 season was easily a top 5 d-man in this league, with similar market value to what Heatley will demand.
I'm sure everyone will send in an offer for Heatley, but most will probably be washed up/overrated players with big contracts, or players that Ottawa simply doesn't need. You need to think of the cap too. Teams like San Jose, who are rumored to be interested, simply don't have the cap room, unless you are willing to take 12 goal wonderboy Cheechoo, or unless the really will FINALLY rebuild due to playoff incompetence. Vancouver has the cap room, but what do they have to offer in trade? The Sedins and Ohlund are UFA's, despite rumors I can't see them moving Luongo, and what else is there? Nothing that Ottawa really needs, unless Vancouver trades all of their young players like Kesler, Borrows, etc (they won't). Tampa Bay doesn't have the cap room, unless Ottawa takes in an overpriced contract like Ryan Malone. St. Louis would also likely not be a good fit for a trade, as they aren't really looking to trade Eric Johnson, and that is really the only need that St. Louis could fill, again, unless they sold the farm. I still think that you need to consider things in this era, not just the ability of the player. By demanding this trade, Heatley pretty much guaranteed that he will be getting shipped out for very little in return. Ottawa's best hope, as I said before, may be to fill the holes on defense and the second line, and go after a UFA to fill Heatley's spot.
richie.rocket.cards
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Even though I think some of the Edmonton proposals that have circulated around would be a bit lopsided for the Senators, I think that if Ottawa wants a skill powerplay catalyst d-man in return, they'll have to trade down. They certainly will not receive another first line forward like Hemsky, or potential franchise faces like Sam Gagner. Ottawa would do well to receive a skill d-man like Gilbert, a secondary scorer (I'd personally want Cogliano instead of O'Sullivan), and two way forward such as Nilsson (I'll admit I havent' seen him play all that much). I think that can better balance the Ottawa lineup rather than loading up a single line again.
As for other teams in the mix, it seems much less ideal for Ottawa. The Canucks? I'd love to see Heatley here, but we have absolutely nothing that Ottawa can use. Bieksa is the only one that comes to mind and Hodgeson will stick. I dont' think Heatley can play with the Sedins either. He is flash and dash...they are wait, and more wait.
Sharks I heard? Cheechoo is as in demand as his own autographed cards. Boyle might be in the deal, but I think Ottawa would prefer someone younger such as Vlasic who did get some pp minutes I think. Someone else said it already, I think Clowe would need to be in the mix there.
The Blues are flooded with young prospects, and I think it's possible they move Pietrangelo, but because he's been largely unproven, St Louis will be taking a big gamble by shipping him. I think the Blues will stay put unless some deal comes along massively in their favor.
Flames...actually, contrary to most, I think Calgary won't move Phaneuf even 1:1. Yes Heatley can score 50 goals, and yes Phaneuf has inconsistencies on defense. But on the powerplay, on the blueline...when Phaneuf's healthy and good...he is good...'really good.' Not to mention the physical aspect. If Phaneuf was on my team, I'd keep the guy.
As for other teams in the mix, it seems much less ideal for Ottawa. The Canucks? I'd love to see Heatley here, but we have absolutely nothing that Ottawa can use. Bieksa is the only one that comes to mind and Hodgeson will stick. I dont' think Heatley can play with the Sedins either. He is flash and dash...they are wait, and more wait.
Sharks I heard? Cheechoo is as in demand as his own autographed cards. Boyle might be in the deal, but I think Ottawa would prefer someone younger such as Vlasic who did get some pp minutes I think. Someone else said it already, I think Clowe would need to be in the mix there.
The Blues are flooded with young prospects, and I think it's possible they move Pietrangelo, but because he's been largely unproven, St Louis will be taking a big gamble by shipping him. I think the Blues will stay put unless some deal comes along massively in their favor.
Flames...actually, contrary to most, I think Calgary won't move Phaneuf even 1:1. Yes Heatley can score 50 goals, and yes Phaneuf has inconsistencies on defense. But on the powerplay, on the blueline...when Phaneuf's healthy and good...he is good...'really good.' Not to mention the physical aspect. If Phaneuf was on my team, I'd keep the guy.
TanguayFan
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I keep seeing people say "Heatley is a 50 goal scorer".
Heatley WAS a 50 goal scorer. Heatley hasn't even sniffed at 50 goals in two seasons, despite playing with two of the top fowards in the game in Alfie and Spezza. His numbers have decreased the last two seasons, and he's got a hefty price tag for any team that wants to take him on.
Is he a consistent goal scorer? Yes he is, there is no doubt about that. Could he hit 50 again? Perhaps. He's got the potential to do it. You can easily classify him as a 40 goal scorer. However, to say he is a 50 goal scorer, strictly based on some past success would be false. Otherwise, guess what? So is Cheechoo.....and I don't think many people are knocking down his door for him and his 50 goals.
Heatley WAS a 50 goal scorer. Heatley hasn't even sniffed at 50 goals in two seasons, despite playing with two of the top fowards in the game in Alfie and Spezza. His numbers have decreased the last two seasons, and he's got a hefty price tag for any team that wants to take him on.
Is he a consistent goal scorer? Yes he is, there is no doubt about that. Could he hit 50 again? Perhaps. He's got the potential to do it. You can easily classify him as a 40 goal scorer. However, to say he is a 50 goal scorer, strictly based on some past success would be false. Otherwise, guess what? So is Cheechoo.....and I don't think many people are knocking down his door for him and his 50 goals.
cburt
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I'd trade Phaneuf for Heatley.
frankiefives
Verified Trader,
He had a down year this past season just like the rest of the team. In 06-07, he missed 11 games due to injury (which is a rarity for him) and still scored over 40 goals. He's one of the more durable players in the game which is also a plus
supercec
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Although a Toronto, Ottawa deal of this magnitude has a snowballs chance in hell, a deal that centered around Heatley for Kaberle would make a lot of sense on both sides. The Leafs are desperate for a franchise forward to build around and the Sens are desperate for a top offensive defencemen.
Sharks1917
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Replace Cheechoo and his 12 goals with Clowe and take Smith out and you've probably got a deal.
Clowe is a RFA..Ehroff is only 25...I would do Michalek/Ehroff for Heatley & Kelly...
Clowe is a RFA..Ehroff is only 25...I would do Michalek/Ehroff for Heatley & Kelly...
fly4apuckguy
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Heatley is not Cheechoo, and I don't think you are saying that...
Heater is still one of five or six elite goal scorers in the NHL. Any team would be nuts not to at least look at what they could do to get him on their team.
frankiefives
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If the Sens make that deal, Murray will be burned at the stake by the fans
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Ashtaway
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Sure he requested the trade, but he's still one of the top goal-scorers in the league and will get plenty in return
I think his own wife would burn him at the stake for that trade
I think his own wife would burn him at the stake for that trade
newfiecomicguy1
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People leave companies or move to different cities all the time, why is that make him a cry baby? I think he has every right to request a trade, he is requesting it not demanding it.
supercec
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Sorry I don`t follow the Oil as closely as I should, but why did you put Grebeshkov on that list? Just curious
supercec
Registered Trader
I think it is also important to remember that he didn`t go to the media about this, it was leaked out. In my eyes that makes a huge difference!
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