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Only 17.3%? Wow, what a nice guy taking that massive hometown discount that no one else does.... :clap:
McDavid Contract Extension..
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Only 17.3%? Wow, what a nice guy taking that massive hometown discount that no one else does.... :clap:
canucksfreak19
Verified Trader,
Making less than Timofey Mozgov.
Oilersareback
Banned User
Crosby cap hit didn't help Pitt win the 2009 Cup, Malkin at .975 did.
What helped Pittsburgh last 2 years is the low cap % of Sid and Geno.
Pouliot is being bought out so that saves nearly $2.7M off the cap for the next two years, and one of MacTavish's last acts as GM on a July 1
NJDEVILS30
Verified Trader,
I'm not sure why people are coming down on McDavid for not taking less money.
If he signed for 11 million, he would be leaving 18 million dollars on the table over the course of the deal. If he took the very convenient 9.7 million per season that many seemed to believe he would, he'd be leaving almost THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS on the table.
"Oh, I'd better take less money so that we can give Patrick Maroon his raise!"... yeah, no.
Unless he signed for 6 million per season, any amount left on the table as a "discount" for the team wouldn't be enough to make a difference.
In any other sport, he would be paid exponentially more, and even 13.25 million per year does not represent his significance to the team, or to the NHL.
If he signed for 11 million, he would be leaving 18 million dollars on the table over the course of the deal. If he took the very convenient 9.7 million per season that many seemed to believe he would, he'd be leaving almost THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS on the table.
"Oh, I'd better take less money so that we can give Patrick Maroon his raise!"... yeah, no.
Unless he signed for 6 million per season, any amount left on the table as a "discount" for the team wouldn't be enough to make a difference.
In any other sport, he would be paid exponentially more, and even 13.25 million per year does not represent his significance to the team, or to the NHL.
high_end_stuff
Verified Trader
He will be making the most $$ per year in the NHL. In the long run this will hurt Edmonton. Will this be Chicago all over again with Toews/Kane at 10.5M a season... lol
Draisitl will sign big $$ as well so if McDavid was a team player (like Crosby) to help the team out to win then he better rethink this. But he's to young so of course $$ is #1 on there minds. Just saying... Edmonton needs to but there $$ else where as well not tied up with 2 ppl
Draisitl will sign big $$ as well so if McDavid was a team player (like Crosby) to help the team out to win then he better rethink this. But he's to young so of course $$ is #1 on there minds. Just saying... Edmonton needs to but there $$ else where as well not tied up with 2 ppl
golgo13
Verified Trader,
Chicago won 3 Cups with Toews and Kane, so I think the sacrifice was worth it. Edmonton hasn't won anything yet........
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DredJAw
Upstanding Member,
I guess Crosby was not a team player when he took his $8.7M per out of his entry level deal when the cap was $50.3M then?
The numbers were as follows: 8.7/50.3 = 17.3% of cap hit.
Mcdavid's $13.25M won't start until 2018-19 (we obviously don't know the cap then), but next years cap is projected as $75M.
The numbers are as follows: 13.25/75 = 17.6% of cap.
PLEASE people, try and understand this! The numbers are easy. The numbers are transparent.
These are facts. I, essentially, do math for a living and it pains me when people cant comprehend numbers.
Crosby taking $8.7 with a $50.3M cap is the exact same thing as Mcdavid taking $13.25M with a $75M cap.
Because anything over $10M per year is multi-generational set-up-for-life money. And because unless they win at least one cup, he isn't worth it. And this will make it tough for that to happen.
This assumes he is entitled to the max. I sort of get it considering how entitled some young people are these days.
Why not? Now you are assuming he is entitled and selfish. Hopefully that isn't the case with this national treasure. And it's more the situation after Drai signs too rather than a raise for Maroon.
When the team needs an extra $1M - $1.5M for cap reasons it WILL make a difference. Not sure what you were thinking with respect to that sentence. Please explain if I am missing something.
Irrelevant what he'd be making in any other sport. He's a hockey player. That's like saying that the best teacher in the world would be paid exponentially more if they were the best doctor or lawyer in the world. That just isn't the way the world works. Different skill set completely and different economic models too.
And to say that $13.25M does not represent his significance to the team...that is an arbitrary comment with no way to quantify and to the NHL...the NHL doesn't pay him, Katz does, so again irrelevant to his willingness to cripple the team and ensure, to the delight of Flames fans, that the Oil will be cupless for the next 8 years. :yess:
And in any event his value to the NHL will be paid to him through endorsements so his net worth won't be compromised, don't worry about that lol.
Oilersareback
Banned User
so what does your math tell you about 2009 Malkin making $975,000 with Crosby at 8.7M. Malkin winning the Conn Smythe?
You have to have some stars on entry level contracts if you're paying a superstar big money. That guy was Malkin in 2009. Matt Murray, Guenzel in 2016 2017
I'm already betting against a Canadian team winning a cup. If McD and Drai at 22M plus they won't even make a Stanley cup final.
McD should be kind to himself and his legacy and sign for 10-11M before he turns himself into Ovechkin
NJDEVILS30
Verified Trader,
Their willingness to pay McDavid so much money (although exactly the same percentage as Crosby at the time of his extension) suggests to me that his agent and the Edmonton Oilers hold the same opinion as I do - McDavid is the best player in the NHL.
I made a sarcastic comment referring to the Oilers using their McDavid "savings" to top up contracts for lesser-lite players. I never made an assumption that McDavid is entitled and/or selfish, and I don't appreciate the word "irrelevant" being used in response to my post. I was sharing an opinion - my own, uneducated take on a topic that I am interested in - would you like to reply to some others who have chimed in that their comments are arbitrary?
Of course he is a hockey player, but it is impossible to deny that in any other professional sports league, the best player (in my opinion) would be paid significantly more. Why didn't you pick apart a previous post where McDavid's salary was directly compared to contracts in the NBA? I find it hard to believe that the best player in the NHL is paid less than one of the NBA's worst (again, my opinion).
I feel that the contract is deserved, and both Chicago and Pittsburgh have done exceptionally well with some enormous contracts on their books over the past decade. I'm sure that with some savvy moves, the Oilers will do quite well. You might even see some players take a bit less for the chance to go and be a part of it, similar to what's happening in Golden State right now. Again, a reference to the NBA, so take that for what it's worth.
I look forward to continuing to read what others have to say about this contract and the resulting cap crunch that the Oilers will be in, and hope that you all enjoy the hobby over the summer.
DredJAw
Upstanding Member,
COMPLETELY different argument here.
The argument is what Mcdavid should have signed for. He cant control when the other contracts are due, etc.
(also, you are not wrong. You need cheap entry level deals and/or real valued contracts on the books agreed).
What his agent thinks is also irrelevant as all agents try to get the most money for their clients. Not just sports, all contact negotiations.
Using the word irrelevant is simply a fact that it is so. You were trying to make several points that I disagreed with so was just trying to explain why. I'm not saying your opinion is irrelevant, just some of the points you used to get it across were.
I didn't pick apart the others because they were used as illustration. Those posters did not say that what he'd make as an NBA player, they simply stated where his salary would rank against them. Much different.
I do agree with you that some players may take a discount to go to Edmonton to try to win a Cup. Hello Iginla etc lol. But it's a shame that they would have to take less so McDavid could take more.
Sorry that you took my post so personally. I only picked it apart because I saw so many parts that needed pickin'. Kinda like noses, you can pick yer friends and you can pick yer nose but you can't pick yer friends nose. Sorry, folks, that's just where my brain went with the word "pick". :|
SimonJa
Verified Trader, ,
Chicago who owns 3 cups with those players? If someone were to ask if McDavid were to deliver 3 cups to Edmonton should he perhaps deserve to be rewarded as such? Would he be worth 13 Mil then?
If Chiarreli can give Lucic 6 Million....6 MILLION?????!!....then Im sure he could throw 13 to McDavid. If I was McDavid......or Crosby....Im getting paid....cuz the amount of garbage contracts out there for players that dont deserve the cash is astounding!!! Edmonton will have to do what everybody else in the league has to do that has a superstar on the team.....DRAFT WELL!!
will-411
Verified Trader,
Any good GM would go into a negotiation like this with a long term plan. This couldn't have simply been "we need to get Connor signed and we'll appeal to him to give us a hometown discount". Either with correct or incorrect assumptions about the future (where the cap will go, who will be resigned and who will not, etc.), you sit down at a meeting like this with McDavid and lay out the entirety of the future plan and how he and his future salary fit into it. It has to be a plan worked together.
I get that there may not be a lot of confidence in the GM, and that is a fair discussion point, but in my opinion, there is no way the meeting about this contract only included a discussion about how much and for how long Connor gets paid. The plan may crash and burn, and that's when the GM is held accountable, but getting into comparisons of percentages in different situations and saying McDavid is greedy is way too simplistic a way to look at the business of sport.
Cory
I get that there may not be a lot of confidence in the GM, and that is a fair discussion point, but in my opinion, there is no way the meeting about this contract only included a discussion about how much and for how long Connor gets paid. The plan may crash and burn, and that's when the GM is held accountable, but getting into comparisons of percentages in different situations and saying McDavid is greedy is way too simplistic a way to look at the business of sport.
Cory
sprague11
Upstanding Member
Goodbye RNH, Sekara...... Anyone wanna take Lucic's contract?
Those NMC's are going to bite Edmonton hard on the ***.
Those NMC's are going to bite Edmonton hard on the ***.
Bossy22
Verified Trader,
Every team that has a superstar paid them as such! Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc. They then went on to win cups. Oilers will do the same. Hope I am able to attend the parade!
FrozenInferno
Resident Bluenoser, Verified Trader,
For the most part LA and Chicago won their Cups before the big stars got the mega dollars. Now they're feeling the cap crunch but at least they have something to show for it.
Pittsburgh won two Cups with the big guys making bank but got some timely performance from low-cost depth players and rookies. Pittsburgh's model is basically the formula you need these days and there is pretty much no room for "middle class" players in the NHL anymore.
The scary part for Edmonton, and my Leafs very soon as well, is paying a lot for these stars before anything is won. Toews and Kane had three rings before their new $10.5M contracts kicked in. Kopitar had two. McDavid, Draisaitl, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, etc have ZERO Cups and will still command big money. It's putting the cart before the horse and hoping the investment pays off.
Lord Stanley53
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Hahaha! The NHL used to pay players for what they achieved...now they are going to pay them for what they hope they will do!!! Personally I wouldn't pay McD $13.25 M, but if I was him I wouldn't hesitate to take it!
The owners in their infinite wisdom, put in a salary cap to protect themselves from themselves and now they're going to ruin the league once again.....it's going to be difficult for them to ice a competitive team when you have most of your cap tied up in a few players.
They've been paying stiffs $6m per, routinely (Lucic!!) and the numbers are getting out of hand....
It's fun to watch though!!!
The owners in their infinite wisdom, put in a salary cap to protect themselves from themselves and now they're going to ruin the league once again.....it's going to be difficult for them to ice a competitive team when you have most of your cap tied up in a few players.
They've been paying stiffs $6m per, routinely (Lucic!!) and the numbers are getting out of hand....
It's fun to watch though!!!
sprague11
Upstanding Member
Wondering if the Oilers get a couple years cheap on the back end out of this contract.
If McDavid is a 13.25 Million dollar hit (And let's assume Draisatl is... 7 million) those two plus RNH and Lucic would be a hit of over 32 million. That's nuts. And there's always the chance Puljujarvi comes in on the last year of his ELC and puts up 60 points.
McDavid is going nowhere (and is probably worth the money provided he does not get hurt) but the Oilers are going to be in a similar position as the Blackhawks are now with the cap unless they cut bait fast on a couple more bigger contracts. McDavid might be printing money for the Oilers, but there's going to be a lot of turnaround in Edmonton with some of those big contracts in the cap era. Your top 6 skaters cannot play 60 minutes a night.
If McDavid is a 13.25 Million dollar hit (And let's assume Draisatl is... 7 million) those two plus RNH and Lucic would be a hit of over 32 million. That's nuts. And there's always the chance Puljujarvi comes in on the last year of his ELC and puts up 60 points.
McDavid is going nowhere (and is probably worth the money provided he does not get hurt) but the Oilers are going to be in a similar position as the Blackhawks are now with the cap unless they cut bait fast on a couple more bigger contracts. McDavid might be printing money for the Oilers, but there's going to be a lot of turnaround in Edmonton with some of those big contracts in the cap era. Your top 6 skaters cannot play 60 minutes a night.
