One-of-One? I Don't Think So!

[GoCanGo]

I haven't read through the entire 7 pages (I've read the first 3 1/2 pages), so excuse me if this has been covered...

This is far from an isolated or new incident. I remember a member about 2 years ago pulling a Crosby Black 1/1 YG plate out of 05-06 UDII. That member was challenged for his honesty by another member on the old Beckett boards who already possessed the Crosby 1/1 Black YG plate. It turns out they were both being honest and they both possessed it.

Now remember, that set was released over 3 years ago. I have seen the same thing repeated in 06-07 where 2 members possessed the same plate. It's probably been like that every year since they inserted the plate.

Although, regardless of all this, I think you should be accepting compensation from Upper Deck for what they did, because it's most likely that if ever this case was to go to Court, you would either lose or make an arrangement out of court that would force you to shut up about it and give them the dupes in return of compensation. But your claim is legit as it's not an isolated mistake but rather it was done purposely, and also because the plate itself and the Upper Deck checklists state the plate should be a 1/1 (regardless if every plate was unique and a 1/1 by themselves, the checklist claims there should only be one of each plate).

Anyway it will be interesting to see how this develops.

 

[GrimUSMC]

I thought they were two different plates. even if, i highly Doubt UD would intentionally do that and open themselves up to a boat load of problems.

I haven't read through the entire 7 pages (I've read the first 3 1/2 pages), so excuse me if this has been covered...

This is far from an isolated or new incident. I remember a member about 2 years ago pulling a Crosby Black 1/1 YG plate out of 05-06 UDII. That member was challenged for his honesty by another member on the old Beckett boards who already possessed the Crosby 1/1 Black YG plate. It turns out they were both being honest and they both possessed it.

Now remember, that set was released over 3 years ago. I have seen the same thing repeated in 06-07 where 2 members possessed the same plate. It's probably been like that every year since they inserted the plate.

Although, regardless of all this, I think you should be accepting compensation from Upper Deck for what they did, because it's most likely that if ever this case was to go to Court, you would either lose or make an arrangement out of court that would force you to shut up about it and give them the dupes in return of compensation. But your claim is legit as it's not an isolated mistake but rather it was done purposely, and also because the plate itself and the Upper Deck checklists state the plate should be a 1/1 (regardless if every plate was unique and a 1/1 by themselves, the checklist claims there should only be one of each plate).

Anyway it will be interesting to see how this develops.

 

[steen101984]

Interesting read. I actually went from post one to the end, and I think I flipped back and forth ten times on what I think is the "right" thing to do.

I just want to say I appreciate what steen101984 is trying to accomplish. I think a lot of people might be missing his point somewhat, in that it is not simply an issue regarding compensation for a loss, it is also about how a company treats its customers.

In a perfect world, Upper Deck would be appreciative of us, the collectors, and in essence feel the need to bend over backwards to ensure that we are and remain satisfied customers.

If this issue had been met with a sincere apology and heartfelt contrition, I am guessing steen101984 takes his compensation, with some reservations, and moves on. However, instead of taking that path, UD acts impersonally, and offers compensation with a "take it and shut up" type of attitude.

Like I said, I see why steen101984 is choosing to push this a bit. If nothing else, it might make one of the talking heads stop and realize that we are not just a bunch of cardboard addicts willing to bend over and receive what we are delivered simply because we have no other choice.

Maybe it will force them to acknowledge that they need us more than we need them. I suspect this truth is lost on a lot of them. We can all walk away from this hobby tomorrow and continue with our daily lives. UD can't operate that way.

A little acknowledgement of that would be a good way of running a business, and make your customers loyal, as opposed to litigious.

I say well done, but make sure you don't put yourself in a spot where the big company can hurt you financially. It is a point worth making, but not at the expense of your own bank account or emotional well-being.

This is what im trying to get across not that they wronged me but how
they have wronged me. Im not the best at writing my thoughts down i like to talk them out but this is exactly what im trying to say. I was a manager at a video store and if i treated ONE person this way id be fired. They are doing to a lot of people. I just want to help people see it. I have dealt with so many awesome people who are looking out for my cards and im looking out for theirs and they genuinely care about helping people. Ive never seen anything like the last year and a half that i have got back into cards. The amount of people who have sent free cards to people for a myriad of different reasons. As well as these kind of sites collecting for the purpose of giving the cards away to the less fortunate. Or people delivering cards to the sick kids hospital. As a group the card collectors are awesome. I just hate seeing people that do that kind of stuff be treated the way UD is treating them. All i want from them is what was promised in my packs and through trades. Whether it be redemptions or 1/1's. And im rambling so moving on


RJ

 

[steen101984]

I cant ignore this anymore. Your being completely unreasonable. in one post, you complain about losing your job and being ripped off in a box of Hockey cards, and another you say you should be compensated for the $1000 you spent on 6 plates.

1., if you have money problems, you shoudlnt be buyign hockey cards. If you dont liek what Upper deck puts out, Dont buy it. Buy Singles, oir buy stock, or go to the casino.

2. Upper Deck has NO OBLIGATION to you for anythign other then the erorr plates, which they offered to you in the form of $80 boxes. I fele its fair, but you say its not, and then they offered even more. For one plate of an average player, thats a great deal. What do you want? Your not going to get Richard MacMillian to come to your house and wipe your ***, so stop trying. you dont like the state of thew hobby, then leave. No one forces you to do this, it is not a NECESSITY!

Your coming off as someone that wants either the world or a Sidney Crosby CUP Rookie Card for this small mistake. And in this very rare instance, YOU are wrong here, not UD.

I had to get that off my chest.

wow panties in a knot?

as to each statement

1 i dont have money problems and i dont buy a lot of boxes anymore. I buy a lot more singles now-a-days. But i like breaking wax and every once in awhile i need to break something and my shop over charges on BTP so its UD or nothing i just want a choice.

2 I would have felt that that would have been fair too. But i spent hours on hold countless emails and over 6 months to finally get to that resolution. Meanwhile they are handing out Ovechkin Autos and Rookies to people who had a redemption for a Benoit Pouliot patch /25 that wasnt made. And yet for someone that they actually wronged they are just going to ignore it until it goes away? If they had of owned up to the mistake at first and apologized and offered me that originally i wouldnt have been happy but i would have moved on and taken it. I dont want a Crosby cup rookie at all sure that would be awesome but thats just not the reality. I just want to be compensated for the over 40 phone calls and 30+ emails i sent to them. They just tried to ignore me and hope i would go away. Also i thoroughly enjoy this hobby but i think it needs to change. Ill pose this question to you since you seem so passionate: whats so bad about having a choice of companies to collect from?

 

[GrimUSMC]

wow panties in a knot?

as to each statement

1 i dont have money problems and i dont buy a lot of boxes anymore. I buy a lot more singles now-a-days. But i like breaking wax and every once in awhile i need to break something and my shop over charges on BTP so its UD or nothing i just want a choice.

2 I would have felt that that would have been fair too. But i spent hours on hold countless emails and over 6 months to finally get to that resolution. Meanwhile they are handing out Ovechkin Autos and Rookies to people who had a redemption for a Benoit Pouliot patch /25 that wasnt made. And yet for someone that they actually wronged they are just going to ignore it until it goes away? If they had of owned up to the mistake at first and apologized and offered me that originally i wouldnt have been happy but i would have moved on and taken it. I dont want a Crosby cup rookie at all sure that would be awesome but thats just not the reality. I just want to be compensated for the over 40 phone calls and 30+ emails i sent to them. They just tried to ignore me and hope i would go away. Also i thoroughly enjoy this hobby but i think it needs to change. Ill pose this question to you since you seem so passionate: whats so bad about having a choice of companies to collect from?

Look I hate UD and much prefer ITG. But No one forces me to buy a UD product, I do it out of addiction and choice. DO I think a license for ITG woudl be great, I do. DO I want a healthy competiton, you bet. But you holding these two plates hostage and demanding what is a seemingly rediculous bounty for them isnt helping that cause one bit. Now you rplan of forwarding the info to the NHLPA and NHL and showing the damage an exclusive has done is a great idea, and I comend you for takign the tiem to do that. However it still doenst negate the fact that UD made a more then fair offer to you. Either take the offer or keep the plates, its simple.

 

[GrimUSMC]

Also you say you dont have money problems but cry that you get hit for a high box cost and pulled crap from it. those are the chnces you take when buying wax. By sayign its more wrong because you just lost your job insiuates you dont have the extra money, and makes my first poitn that if thats the case, take a break from the hobby. My cards are always last priority in my house. My Kids, wife, other bills, and even things my wife likes always come first.

 

[steen101984]

Also you say you dont have money problems but cry that you get hit for a high box cost and pulled crap from it. those are the chnces you take when buying wax. By sayign its more wrong because you just lost your job insiuates you dont have the extra money, and makes my first poitn that if thats the case, take a break from the hobby. My cards are always last priority in my house. My Kids, wife, other bills, and even things my wife likes always come first.

and other things do come first but when u save up and then get screwed on a box its stings. However, thats not what im debating i know that buying boxes is a crap shoot and i much like yourself do it for the same reasons (addiction and fun). Im more concerned how we are viewed by them and i feel like maybe if enough people say thats enough maybe something will be done about it. Im not complaining about the offer so much as the process i went through to get that offer. Plus ill guarantee that people in my city pay more for boxes are store has great people running it but tends to be on the pricey side for the most part. The holding them hostage and demanding a high reward for the plates was never the option. If you offered me 2 boxes of that for my printing plates id tell you where to go. In this case they are wrong and should work towards a resolution that appeases both of us not ignore me for 6 months and finally offer me what i feel is unjust. They actually made fun of how much i paid they laughed at me. If i did that at my job id be gone before i could finish laughing.

 

[GrimUSMC]

and other things do come first but when u save up and then get screwed on a box its stings. However, thats not what im debating i know that buying boxes is a crap shoot and i much like yourself do it for the same reasons (addiction and fun). Im more concerned how we are viewed by them and i feel like maybe if enough people say thats enough maybe something will be done about it. Im not complaining about the offer so much as the process i went through to get that offer. Plus ill guarantee that people in my city pay more for boxes are store has great people running it but tends to be on the pricey side for the most part. The holding them hostage and demanding a high reward for the plates was never the option. If you offered me 2 boxes of that for my printing plates id tell you where to go. In this case they are wrong and should work towards a resolution that appeases both of us not ignore me for 6 months and finally offer me what i feel is unjust. They actually made fun of how much i paid they laughed at me. If i did that at my job id be gone before i could finish laughing.

Well good luck to you then. I say they made a fair offer. The plates would typically sell for $50-80. they offered you $80 boxes, and from what I gathered without reading the whole thread, something else as well.

In my opinion and that of others, they made a more then reasonable offer.

 

[steen101984]

Well good luck to you then. I say they made a fair offer. The plates would typically sell for $50-80. they offered you $80 boxes, and from what I gathered without reading the whole thread, something else as well.

In my opinion and that of others, they made a more then reasonable offer.

well you are entitled to your opinion even if i dont agree but in this case mine is the one that should count to them.

Thanks for the well wishes i appreciate them

RJ

 

[quincy]

This WAS on its way to dying a nice, quiet death from neglect. Now it's being put down like the rabid stray that it is.

Allow me to summarize:
Steen - Feels he was wronged by UD, and has expectations for compensation that are most likely going to meet with disappointment and failure.
GrimUSMC - Has been the vanguard of a general wave of sentiment that basically says "You were offered fair compensation, none of your other arguments hold water, and you're being a whiner."

Quincy - Is of the opinion that this post started poorly, went downhill, then took a sharp right into "waste of a post" territory.

Thread done. Restarting it or one like it would be a very, very bad idea.