Tim Horton "Patch Cards"

djsports said:
I don't know if this is better or worse than the custom die cut cards from a few years back...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-18-TI...366276?hash=item466e027804:g:~ekAAOSwGPxZ5--9

I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of pissed off collectors once they realize they are not pack pulled.
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I think you're right. I've looked at some of the other auctions from this seller, and people are bidding like crazy on them. I'm not a big fan of customized cards myself. Can't beat the authentically patched cards. He could be more clear about these cards in his description area. So I guess if people are pissed they should look more closely at the ad. It does state in brackets beside his name - "UpGraded (Customized Cards)".
 
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cburt said:
I think you're right. I've looked at some of the other auctions from this seller, and people are bidding like crazy on them. I'm not a big fan of customized cards myself. Can't beat the authentically patched cards. He could be more clear about these cards in his description area. So I guess if people are pissed they should look more closely at the ad. It does state in brackets beside his name - "UpGraded (Customized Cards)".
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As an eBay seller who used to list in the description, "This is a trading card nothing more nothing less, if you are looking for an antique Pepsi Cola tray or a classic comic book you are going to be disappointed with this trading card" followed by "Your inability to read the description is not my concern", I know to read the description on items.

Any issues should be 100% on the buyer, but knowing eBay he is going to be facing a ton of chargebacks once people realize that these were not some unannounced SP parallel that doesn't exist.

They do look nicer than the diamond 1/1 custom cards from a few years back.
 
Just putting the word patch in quotations does not make this right. This is very shady by the seller. He should at the very least specify that it is a custom made card. This stuff makes me sad and angry at the same time.
 
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bruinsman said:
Just putting the word patch in quotations does not make this right. This is very shady by the seller. He should at the very least specify that it is a custom made card. This stuff makes me sad and angry at the same time.
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it is right in his second line of the title - Customized Cards
 
gomaz said:
Look at the prices he is getting...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=302493366276&hash=item466e027804%3Ag%3A~ekAAOSwGPxZ5--9&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_ssn=domsyn1977&_sop=3
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Wow. That's significant. With some of those prices, especially on the McDavid's and Crosby's, you wonder if these buyers indeed do know that these are custom cards. It seems like they don't. Why pay that kind of dollar for custom cards? The patches are most probably not from game-used jerseys either, and with custom stuff there's no authentication process. Makes me wonder if this stuff should even be legal.
 
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As much as I do not like the lack of 'overt' transparency in his description, I have to give Kudos to his effort, those cards actually look quite nice. You can tell the seller is trying to cover his/her bases with the subscript on the title, this may be enough to agrue with ebay if the buyer files a chargeback, especially as the listings state 'no refunds'
 
Honestly, I don't see an issue with this. He actually writes "customized card" in the sub title for everyone to see. He has 100% positive feedback too so buyers seem to know what they're paying for.

Now, I'm not sure this would fly with Upper Deck but that's a different story.
 
frankiefives said:
Honestly, I don't see an issue with this. He actually writes "customized card" in the sub title for everyone to see. He has 100% positive feedback too so buyers seem to know what they're paying for.

Now, I'm not sure this would fly with Upper Deck but that's a different story.
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I would argue if the buyer does actually know what they are paying for ?

They might think they are getting a rare patch card from the Tim Hortons set, hence the high prices they are willing to pay, but they are actually getting a custom patch card, which these prices are waaay too high for custom cards.

Plus his item description is shady and he's trying to cover his bases here (He should put "customized card" in the main title to make buyers fully aware, not the sub-title). He's pulling a fast one on these buyers and they are falling for it.
 
creasecollector said:
I would argue if the buyer does actually know what they are paying for ?

They might think they are getting a rare patch card from the Tim Hortons set, hence the high prices they are willing to pay, but they are actually getting a custom patch card, which these prices are waaay too high for custom cards.

Plus his item description is shady and he's trying to cover his bases here. He's pulling a fast one on these buyers and they are falling for it.
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Look at the item titles. It clearly states "customized card" in every subtitle
 
frankiefives said:
Look at the item titles. It clearly states "customized card" in every subtitle
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I saw that. I would still argue if that is doing enough to make buyers aware that these are customized cards (maybe putting "customized card" in the main title, not the sub-title which could be glossed over)? For us it's obvious, but for some newer collectors, I just think it's not enough, personally.

I get that there is a responsibility on the buyer for reading the title/description, but I do think the seller needs to do a better job here to advise any potential bidders on what they are really getting.

Because if we're all being honest here, a customized base card of Connor McDavid is still not worth $250+ ($300+ CAD Dollars). So something is up. I get that a card is "worth" what a buyer is willing to pay, but for him to get consistent high dollar sales (sometimes more than actual GU pieces) on these custom cards, there is big information missing that he is not telling his bidders.

Of course, this is just my 2 cents on this matter. Everyone can have an opinion here.
 
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creasecollector said:
I saw that. I would still argue if that is doing enough to make buyers aware that these are customized cards (maybe putting "customized card" in the main title, not the sub-title which could be glossed over)? For us it's obvious, but for some newer collectors, I just think it's not enough, personally.

I get that there is a responsibility on the buyer for reading the title/description, but I do think the seller needs to do a better job here to advise any potential bidders on what they are really getting.
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I agree. He should be stating clearing in the description that these are customized cards. The only place you read of customized cards or that they might be is under the title which only says, "*DomSyn'S UpGraded (Customized Cards)". Nowhere else does he state clearly that these are customs. Experienced collectors, like most of us on here can figure this out, but some newer collectors will end up getting duped on this.
 
creasecollector said:
I saw that. I would still argue if that is doing enough to make buyers aware that these are customized cards (maybe putting "customized card" in the main title, not the sub-title which could be glossed over)? For us it's obvious, but for some newer collectors, I just think it's not enough, personally.

I get that there is a responsibility on the buyer for reading the title/description, but I do think the seller needs to do a better job here to advise any potential bidders on what they are really getting.

Because if we're all being honest here, a customized base card of Connor McDavid is still not worth $250+ ($300+ CAD Dollars). So something is up. I get that a card is "worth" what a buyer is willing to pay, but for him to get consistent high dollar sales (sometimes more than actual GU pieces) on these custom cards, there is big information missing that he is not telling his bidders.

Of course, this is just my 2 cents on this matter. Everyone can have an opinion here.
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I'm not saying everyone knows what they're buying but in this case, the onus is on the bidder. The seller clearly states in the title for all to see that these are customized cards. My 2 cents ;)
 
cburt said:
I agree. He should be stating clearing in the description that these are customized cards. The only place you read of customized cards or that they might be is under the title which only says, "*DomSyn'S UpGraded (Customized Cards)". Nowhere else does he state clearly that these are customs. Experienced collectors, like most of us on here can figure this out, but some newer collectors will end up getting duped on this.
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I agree.


frankiefives said:
I'm not saying everyone knows what they're buying but in this case, the onus is on the bidder. The seller clearly states in the title for all to see that these are customized cards. My 2 cents ;)
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Sure, he does state something about custom cards, but he can be more clear.

He places "*DomSyn'S UpGraded (Customized Cards)" in the Sub-Title.

What does this mean exactly?

-Does he do custom cards on the side?
-Is that the name of his own online business, and he's trying to drive awareness?
- Does he have another eBay account that he wants me to look at?
-Is this card (in the listing) part of that group, or is it something else?

See, when I approach it from a newer collector mentality, the seller needs to do more.

Am I reading way too much into this ? Sure, absolutely I am. But again, for us it's really obvious. For others, not so much.

If it was in the main title, then I, a potential bidder, would know this Tim Horton's McDavid card has been messed around with. If it's carefully placed in the sub-title, then it could mean anything, really. As a inexperienced bidder, I see an Upper Deck logo and a patch and I think it's legit. When really, the original card has been tampered with.

The main title in one of his listings say this:

2017-18 TIM HORTONS UPPER DECK, JERSEY PATCH, CONNOR McDAVID, CARD #97

To me, if I'm an inexperienced eBay user or hockey card collector who knows nothing about cards, that would fool me too.

I don't mean to argue or get into anything (love hearing other peoples thoughts on any issue, and there are many hobbyists and eBay users who have a lot more experience than I ever will), but I just think more needs to be done than what we've seen so far in his listings.
 
I think the responsibility here falls to the buyer. Most people know that Timmy's doesn't have patch cards.

It's like this with any custom...I saw a guy re-post a listing that had a 2013-14 Artifacts Shea Weber card that was customized with a very large 3-colour Habs patch. Anybody who has the ability to Google (and if you're on eBay, you've got the ability to Google) can instantly find out that 13-14 Artifacts had small dual windows, not large circular memorabilia windows.

The guy was legit asking if UD screwed up or was prescient about the trade.
 

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