according to other site panini joins the NHL License

I'm just wondering how Panini will survive when UD has exclusive contracts with Yzerman, Howe, Gretzky, Crosby, Ovechkin, Orr etc. At least with Basketball they had Kobe Bryant Autos to insert, whose gonna be their spokesman?

I see a press release in Panini's future:

"Hi, I'm Alexandre Daigle, former no. 1 draft pick. Be sure to check out Panini for all my exclusive cards, including autographs and game-worn memorabilla worn during my Hall of Fame worthy career. If you're looking for No. 1, look no further than me, Alexandre Daigle and Panini...the dream team collectors have been praying for."
 
I'm just wondering how Panini will survive when UD has exclusive contracts with Yzerman, Howe, Gretzky, Crosby, Ovechkin, Orr etc. At least with Basketball they had Kobe Bryant Autos to insert, whose gonna be their spokesman?


Since Crosby and Ovechkin are current members of the NHLPA, I wonder how it would affect those two directly.
 
I see a press release in Panini's future:

"Hi, I'm Alexandre Daigle, former no. 1 draft pick. Be sure to check out Panini for all my exclusive cards, including autographs and game-worn memorabilla worn during my Hall of Fame worthy career. If you're looking for No. 1, look no further than me, Alexandre Daigle and Panini...the dream team collectors have been praying for."

*daiglemountiesalute.jpg* :dance:
 
I can't help but draw a parallel in some twisted way to ITG and Jim Ballsillie. They both simply wanted to do the right thing, and every fan was pulling for them.

That's an extremely dangerous argument right there.

First, you have the suggestion that Balsille is some sort of god figure to Canadian hockey because he tried to "rescue" a southern franchise and bring it back to Canada "where it belongs" -- as if that's the right and moral thing to do. Which by itself is an elitist notion, given that a huge number of American hockey fans thought Balsille was off his rocker. It also ignores the fact that he repeatedly pissed off the NHL and BoG, while attempting to circumvent the league's guidelines in just about any way possible. Obviously you and I would respectfully disagree here.

But if you're saying there's a few parallels to the above in the story of ITG's quest for its own "franchise" -- well, you may be on to something.
 
Im glad that the exclusive is over. But pissed that ITG still isnt in there with a license.

I am positive that ITG will still produce a better hockey product then both UD and Paninni or how ever its spelled.
 
My only experience with Panini to date aside from the odd sticker pickup is in the pigskin side of the hobby. I will say they walked into some solid established brands from DLP and they have not disappointed in the football niche of the hobby. Their redemption process seems quite slick and they have raised the bar on some products like Contenders and National Treasures. NT happens to be one of the nicest products I have ever seen for 2009.

Panini may very well surprise some people. I am not sure of their failures in basketball so perhaps that offsets my arguement. I for one am willing to let them earn their reputation rather than deliver it pro-actively.

I will re-echo that the lack of ITG licensing presence is still an outright shame and speaks volumes of the NHL/NHLPA disinterest in the betterment of the hobby.
 
lummox -- you bring up a good question in your post, one that will speak to the entire sports card hobby.

Has Panini's successes in Football and failures in Basketball been the result of actually having to put effort into NFL products due to competition from a shared license, versus an NBA exclusive which allows them virtual free reign to release garbage and call it a set?

(I make no presumptions here and am honestly asking, as I am virtually clueless in regards to the NBA/NFL card markets)
 
My desire to produce NHL/NHLPA licensed hockey cards is based on my passion for the sport and collecting.

No ego is involved, it seems like this deal has been done for some time and I was given "lip service" by both organizations. Don't know why, maybe one day someone will come clean.

So comparisons with Ballsille, while flattering aren't as close as you think.

I love making hockey cards and wanted to have all the restrictions put on me removed, well, maybe some day.

With respect to going to Panini, not sure if that is in my nature, going to someone with hat in hand looking for some type of relationship. Rather be my own man and do what I can do. What do you think?

Brian Price
 
I am so disappointed with this situation and the announcement that here is a copy of the letter I fired off to the NHL & the NHLPA.

Quote:
RE:NHLPA & NHL GRANT TRADING CARD LICENSES TO UPPER DECK & PANINI
To put it bluntly, I feel The NHL & NHLPA have once again kicked Canadian card collectors where it hurts. Since 2005 Upper Deck has done nothing in the form of customer service in relationship to their hockey cards. Their poor quality control, lack of vision and their flooding of the market with identical types of products, continues to have a negative effect on the hockey card collector community.
Also, in not granting licenses to "In The Game Trading Card Company", you have sorely damaged the NHL & NHLPA's chance at having a truely hockey minded company produce cards. While the hobby community despearetly wants "ITG" in the card business, the NHL & NHLPA have once again ignored the fans. In doing so you have ignored a truely Canadian company that supplies a product that Canadian Hockey fans want.
Please reconsider this company based on it products, it's commitment to hockey, and it's excellent customer service record.
Thanks for your consideration of the matter.
Dan V.
End Quote.

ITG, bring it on, ALL of my card spending money will be spent on your products. Thank you for your commitment to us hockey card collectors.
:beer:
Dan V.
 
Not sure why many people say that Panini have failed to make an impression in basketball. As a big basketball collector, I've been thrilled with Panini so far. Let's also keep in mind that this is their first season and it's not even over yet. I say welcome to hockey and I can't wait to see their first products.

Regarding ITG, clearly it's personal. The NHLPA does not like ITG.
 
You need to do your research. Under the Donruss brand they put out lots of competitive products in other sports. Some stuff that even competed with Exquisite (The Cup's equivalent).

Collectors wanted another hockey card option. You got it. So why complain before their first packs have even hit the market?

Not to nitpick, but I never said Panini didn't put out nice product (I'm not knocking Panini at all, in fact). I said they didn't and won't compete with UD.

What Panini brings is choices (which is still good on one level), but competition assumes a limited market where brands compete for market share which isn't really true at all (and won't ever be true in any 'hobby' or collectible market). Collectors may individually have limited budgets, but the NHLPA/NHL and card manufacturers don't see that as a limit and will still talk about the market in terms of 'growth' (simply add more collectors in order to add more $$$). In more basic terms, Ovechkin collectors won't choose to pick up either the Victory or the Score edition, they'll get both. The market grows. In the end, if the combined revenue for both UD and Panini America in 2010-11 is greater than that of just UD's in 2009-10, the NHLPA/NHL will be justified in their decision - by adding another licensee, they will have 'grown' the market. [It's economics, not emotion]

This eventually puts us right back to where we were. In a market where supply already exceeds demand, we add more supply on the supposition that demand will follow (by choosing a multi-national corporation with 'known' brands/name recognition). Tons of products which will ultimately commoditize the market and drive values down. Unless, they have yet to tell us that there be a component of the license which limits the number of releases from year-to-year and that the number of brands a manufacturer can release from year-to-year is based on performance (could happen, I guess). That challenge would breed competition for market share and generate product innovation, etc. etc.

Until that revelation comes out, I stand by what I said... Panini and UD will not compete, but rather coexist. They will both produce and collectors will 'choose'... but not which to buy. Collectors will be forced (by their own budget constraints) to choose how they purchase the cards they want.

Disappointing, but understandable when the decision is made by a guy who is judged based on the bottom line of his company (i.e. total revenue of the NHLPA/NHL which probably just went up when he 'doubled' the number of licenses).

[Conspiracy Theory By Me - The fact that ITG has been vocal about wanting a limited market where multiple manufacturers produce fixed numbers of products is why they were not pursued as a licensee. The NHLPA/NHL is driven by the bottom line which they want to see grow (like any company) and, again theory, hockey cards factors very lightly in their 'strategic' planning. Until the license checks bounce or they quit coming, they will not see that supply is already greater than demand.]
 
I am also happy to see the end of the dreaded exclusive. I am very saddened by the fact that ITG is not being allowed to compete with the same rules as the other 2. Funny enough, they will likely once again release the best products on the market with all those restrictions. It just goes to show you how great a company they are...

I am curious to see how well Panini will do without having the big names signing. Maybe my wish will come true. Less GU and autos, more innovative inserts and a lower retail price. I just cannot see them being capable of producing an ultra high end set without either vintage memorabilia or superstar autographs...
 
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I'm just a collector. Not an official of any organization. I was a collector of Pacific cards prior to the lockout. I've never been a big fan of UD since they came on line around the Proset time. In MHO Proset, Score & UD messed up the card industry in the early '90's. I'm not rich enough to afford ITG Ultimate, although I would if I could. Now though I'm rethinking my buying plans and instead of $100 to $200 on packwars and Ebay stuff, I think I'll save up until I can afford ITG boxes.
Sorry if offended anyone with my spelling, I think they'll get my point.
Spell check doesn't work on this work computer anyway.
I'm not an admin who can download programs to this machine.
Enjoy your day,
Dan V.
 
Based on what I've seen of Panini's offerings in basketball and football, we'll be seeing a lot of sticker autos, cluttered designs, and foil on top of foil wrapped in foil with foil on the side. I'm not a fan, but we'll see what they come out with. It's really to bad that ITG wasn't invited to the party, but I can't say that I'm surprised. The NHL and NHLPA isn't exactly known for employing the smartest people.

On the bright side, I get to buy the new BTP tomorrow!
 
The only people the NHL and the PA have to blame for ITG making money are themselves. They cost THEMSELVES money and now want to "punish" ITG by doing the same thing again?

Ok i'm going to throw this out there.

The PA as a whole may earn more money by the group license, but an individual player stands to make more money with no license.

So someone who doesn't get into a lot of sets at the NHL level will have more revenue potential signing with ITG. If I recall correctly, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the bonuses go to the players once included, not one large pie that all players feed from regardless of inclusion or not.

Thus, would it not be in the PA's best interest to not license a company who produces outside the realm of the NHL and has a decent fanbase, to ensure that their members who wouldn't make money off a revenue stream have a viable alternative?
 
Has Panini's successes in Football and failures in Basketball been the result of actually having to put effort into NFL products due to competition from a shared license, versus an NBA exclusive which allows them virtual free reign to release garbage and call it a set?

Hatzo, I'll agree, but to an extent.

The other part of it is brand recognition.

Virtually nowhere in the history of Panini/Donruss/Leaf/Pinnacle/Pacific/Playoff was there basketball licensing.

Football, on the other hand, had licenses for Score/Pinnacle, Playoff and Pacific at one time or another. Contenders, for example, has been a recognized home for hot RCs since Peyton Manning in '98 (or earlier)

Same thing exists in hockey. Aside from Playoff (the less said about One-on-One the better), all of the brands that are part of the Panini family had a mark in hockey. So, when father and son go card shopping and father sees Pinnacle, he'll say "hey look, Pinnacle! I collected that when I was a kid" and purchase for junior (or more importantly himself).
 
Hatzo, I'll agree, but to an extent.

The other part of it is brand recognition.

Virtually nowhere in the history of Panini/Donruss/Leaf/Pinnacle/Pacific/Playoff was there basketball licensing.

Football, on the other hand, had licenses for Score/Pinnacle, Playoff and Pacific at one time or another. Contenders, for example, has been a recognized home for hot RCs since Peyton Manning in '98 (or earlier)

Same thing exists in hockey. Aside from Playoff (the less said about One-on-One the better), all of the brands that are part of the Panini family had a mark in hockey. So, when father and son go card shopping and father sees Pinnacle, he'll say "hey look, Pinnacle! I collected that when I was a kid" and purchase for junior (or more importantly himself).

I have to agree with this post. I am certainly hoping for a return of Pacific brands like Atomic, Revolution and Luxury Suite
 

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