trade deadline just got more interestin, Rick Nash available

[hockeyguy2006]

Leafs could move Schenn, Kadri and something else for him. It would be interesting to know his short list rather then just guessing. LA might not even be on his list. Not saying that the Leafs are but at least its close to where he grew up.

The Leafs can trade Schenn/Kadri/+ for anyone apparently. Every big player that is mentioned for a trade, some Leafs fan without a doubt will post. "The Leafs can get X by trading them Schenn/Kadri/+"

 

[canucksfreak19]

You are right. Martinez would not do it but Voynov I think would. I still think Van has the best chance since they have Schneider and the Kings can't compete with that.

Do you think Columbus would do a deal with Vancouver if it meant they had to take on Ballard's multi-year contract? It seems as though he would have to go for Vancouver to fit it cap wise, and I find it doubtful that Columbus would be up for that. But we'll see sooner (a couple of weeks), or later (the draft).

 

[TanguayFan]

I'm suprised at how many people on here are overvaluing Nash.

1. He's only ever hit 40 goals twice. 41 is his career high.
2. He's only ever had two seasons where he averaged a point per game or better. 05-06 when he had 54 pts in 54 games and 08-09 when he had 79 pts in 78 games.
3. He's never hit 80 pts in a season.
4. In 8 seasons, he's only ever brought his team to the playoffs once. Now, no one player can do it all, but even then, that's an appalling record.
5. He couldn't even average a point per game in the '10 Olympics, playing with some of the best players in the world. For the most part, he was pretty much a non-factor.

Now, I am not saying that Nash isn't a good player: he is. But essentially he's fairly one dimensional. And I'm not sure I would consider him a franchise player. He may be the face of the franchise, but that's not saying much, considering the dreck that he's been saddled with for most of his career. Really, his career stats don't point to much more than a really good goal scorer. Perhaps he might blossom with a top flight set-up man feeding him the puck, but unless I was a franchise that had such a player, I'm not sure I would give up too much to get him. I would much, much rather Carter if I was a team looking to pick up somebody from CBJ.

 

[paulxing]

This is ridiculous. you gotta compare him era to era. you now when he scored 41 goals? You know who won the Rocket richard that year? You know what era that was? Neutral zone, ratings killing era.

He's never hit 80 points, ok, but neither did anyone on nashville last year and they made it to round two. Thus validating point 4, it takes a whole slew of things to make the playoffs.

Also you know who else didn't hit a point per game at the olympics? ALMOST EVERY PLAYER. By that logic, Toews ad Iginla are the best players in the world. Hands down. Period. Crosby's only good for sudden death.

Now Im not saying he should be traded for a starting goalie, starting d man, superstar prospect and first round pick, but hes good. real good. But who is worth so many players? Not many. What he is though is he's big, in his prime and has done all this while working with nothing. All those highlight reel goals he scored? end to end? who gave him the puck? he stripped it. He's worth a lot. We'll see what he'll fetch on the trade market soon enough hopeully. Then we'll judge if he was worth it.

No Brampton Homerism here...

 

[Metrags]

I'm suprised at how many people on here are overvaluing Nash.

1. He's only ever hit 40 goals twice. 41 is his career high.
2. He's only ever had two seasons where he averaged a point per game or better. 05-06 when he had 54 pts in 54 games and 08-09 when he had 79 pts in 78 games.
3. He's never hit 80 pts in a season.
4. In 8 seasons, he's only ever brought his team to the playoffs once. Now, no one player can do it all, but even then, that's an appalling record.
5. He couldn't even average a point per game in the '10 Olympics, playing with some of the best players in the world. For the most part, he was pretty much a non-factor.

Now, I am not saying that Nash isn't a good player: he is. But essentially he's fairly one dimensional. And I'm not sure I would consider him a franchise player. He may be the face of the franchise, but that's not saying much, considering the dreck that he's been saddled with for most of his career. Really, his career stats don't point to much more than a really good goal scorer. Perhaps he might blossom with a top flight set-up man feeding him the puck, but unless I was a franchise that had such a player, I'm not sure I would give up too much to get him. I would much, much rather Carter if I was a team looking to pick up somebody from CBJ.

He is the face of the franchise, but not a franchise player. 100% agree.

As I said in terms of the Rangers, I would give up a handful of our prospects and a select few NHL ready players, but throw in one of our future faces and the deal is off.

I am happy with the progress and domination we have seen from our players, and I dont want to mess that up for 20 extra goals a year and no proven play when the games matter. I don't want Nash for the same reasons Boston didn't want Thornton any more. Extreme overvalue for one statistic only hurts the team that you play for.

 

[hederman]

Toews, P. Kane, Lecavalier, Zetterberg, Spezza all have stats similar to Nash and they all play on better teams. Nash has had to carry Columbus from the get-go. Who know how many more points he'd have if he were surrounded by equal caliber players to pass to him for a goal or score when he puts the puck on their stick.

All else being equal I'd go as far as saying he's a consistent top 10 forward in the league over the past 8 seasons as you can get.

 

[Pucku2cards]

I honestly don't understand all the hype, he doesn't even know what winning is. I'd rather take parise or bobby ryan if they're available, more upside and haven't been bred on losing.

 

[canucksfreak19]

Who has he had facilitating him, setting him up to score while in Columbus over the years?

 

[hederman]

I honestly don't understand all the hype, he doesn't even know what winning is. I'd rather take parise or bobby ryan if they're available, more upside and haven't been bred on losing.

The argument could be made that players who have grown up in a losing environment have more drive to prove they are winners.

 

[coxy15]

Judging by this recent losing streak and crappy games
during the year,the Leafs need a goalie more than Rick
Nash!!!They normally can put the puck in the net but can't
always keep it out.Coming into this year I thought the goalie
problem was solved but I guess Gionta's little bump on the
head of Reimer took care of that.

 

[hederman]

Judging by this recent losing streak and crappy games
during the year,the Leafs need a goalie more than Rick
Nash!!!They normally can put the puck in the net but can't
always keep it out.Coming into this year I thought the goalie
problem was solved but I guess Gionta's little bump on the
head of Reimer took care of that.

Nah, Reims is suffering from Leafitis, a degenerative disease caused by prolonged exposure to a Toronto Maple Leafs jersey.

 

[gretzky99]

the problem with Nash isn't his ability. his ability is world class. he's played with nothing for his entire career.

his problem is his price tag, both to acquire him and his salary. he is being paid like he is a guy that can carry a franchise when he clearly cannot. he should not be the 4th highest paid player in the league. that being said, i would argue there are only a couple of players in the entire NHL that can carry a franchise.

Nash is worth around $6.5M/year. Columbus overpaid him because he is the face of their franchise. that mistake will cost them a little if they are going to trade him. no one can afford to give up what some think they should get AND have to take on that cap hit.

and btw, i would still rather trade for Carter. he costs less to acquire and less to keep.

 

[Kyle]

He couldn't even average a point per game in the '10 Olympics, playing with some of the best players in the world. For the most part, he was pretty much a non-factor.

The Olympics? Really? The competition level of that tournament was ridiculous. Nobody outside of Ryan Miller dominated anything.

 

[canucksfreak19]

The Olympics? Really? The competition level of that tournament was ridiculous. Nobody outside of Ryan Miller dominated anything.

If anything it shows that he is a well rounded player because Nash and Thornton were apart of the shutdown checking line I believe.

 

[punkoholic]

I'm suprised at how many people on here are overvaluing Nash.

1. He's only ever hit 40 goals twice. 41 is his career high.
2. He's only ever had two seasons where he averaged a point per game or better. 05-06 when he had 54 pts in 54 games and 08-09 when he had 79 pts in 78 games.
3. He's never hit 80 pts in a season.
4. In 8 seasons, he's only ever brought his team to the playoffs once. Now, no one player can do it all, but even then, that's an appalling record.
5. He couldn't even average a point per game in the '10 Olympics, playing with some of the best players in the world. For the most part, he was pretty much a non-factor.

Now, I am not saying that Nash isn't a good player: he is. But essentially he's fairly one dimensional. And I'm not sure I would consider him a franchise player. He may be the face of the franchise, but that's not saying much, considering the dreck that he's been saddled with for most of his career. Really, his career stats don't point to much more than a really good goal scorer. Perhaps he might blossom with a top flight set-up man feeding him the puck, but unless I was a franchise that had such a player, I'm not sure I would give up too much to get him. I would much, much rather Carter if I was a team looking to pick up somebody from CBJ.

Some thought he was the best player for Team Canada in the tournament. I also heard Babcock(while he was interviewed on the ice after the win) say Nash was one of the best players for them during the Gold medal game. Agree and disagree about your arguments on his avg points/game. Yes, they tried him on the top line and it didn't work out(so he couldn't get a avg a point/game). But then he was put on the 3rd line as a shutdown line(that line worked and if their job was to defend and not score, then his point production will go down to lower his avg points/game).

 

[TanguayFan]

Alright, I'll concede that mebbe the Olympics thing was a stretch. I didn't really look too deeply into the teams stats as it were, but his 2 goals in 7 games stood out as an abberation for somebody that is a pure goal scorer.

Also, can any CBJ fans recall if he played on a line with Whitney in his rookie season?

Still, I stand by my opinion that he's being overrated in relation to the trade talks. There's no indication that he would turn a bubble team's playoff fortunes around, or lead a contender to the holy land. Not based on what he's shown so far in his career. If he does end up leaving CBJ, I hope he finds success, because he certainly seems to be a hardworking, likeable player.

 

[Leafsfan1967]

Leafs could move Schenn, Kadri and something else for him. It would be interesting to know his short list rather then just guessing. LA might not even be on his list. Not saying that the Leafs are but at least its close to where he grew up.

Leafs have several pieces of the Columbus puzzle to do a deal for Nash. They have young decent goalies in the system (Gustavsson, Reimer, and Scrivens, and Rynnas) so giving up any one of the top 3 won't change things much in that department. They also have an abundance of young stud defense prospects in Franson, Gardiner, Aulie, and Schenn, as well as some veterans (Phaneuf, Liles, Komisarek). I think any of the forwards other than Kessel, and Lupul could be available (Kulemin, Grabovski, MacArthur, or Armstrong). They also have Kadri, and Colborne in the system, and picks. They also have cap space to make it work.

Having said that, I think there is a very small chance he ends up here, even though he's a Brampton, Ontario native. He is a very shy, and quiet guy, and I'M not sure he would really thrive under the scrutiny of the fans, and media in a crazy marketplace like Toronto. I'm hoping Burke can make it happen somehow, but I'm not holding my breath!

 

[punkoholic]

A thought came to me and another bad reason to trade him...

1)Does a lot towards the community (yeah, yeah, nothing do with hockey and I'm sure other players does the same in Columbus).

but most importantly,

2)He's like an ambassador for Columbus. When Carter was upset, what player went with Howson and the agent to talk to Carter? Answer, Nash. When Columbus was trying to convince Wizniewski to sign with them, who was their trying to convince him to sign? Answer, Nash.

 

[MMarch]

Schenn and Crabb are healthy scratches tonight, wonder if that means anything.

 

[Metrags]

2)He's like an ambassador for Columbus. When Carter was upset, what player went with Howson and the agent to talk to Carter? Answer, Nash. When Columbus was trying to convince Wizniewski to sign with them, who was their trying to convince him to sign? Answer, Nash.

Mayhaps that ambassador will be Prospal from now on??? :beer:

And if I was Howson, I would deal Nash simply for "trying to convince Wizniewski to sign".....


In all seriousness, he brings the 'captaincy' stuff, and he brings the goals. But the thing holding him back is the same thing holding back Thornton, the inability to use his size and the lack of experience (and/or disappearance) in big games.

You just don't know what you're going to get from Nash aside from 20 goals this year, and 40 next, etc etc.